The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine
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Find one verse in the gospels where Jesus teaches we are not under the law anymore? Can't do it?
Jesus does not have to speak about it for it to be true, there are other books in the Bible that talk about it. An angel in the gospels prophecied about it however when he said that Jesus would rule on David's throne.
I know you guys believe David's throne is somehow in heaven, even though we know from history that it was on earth. But somehow the book of Acts has convinced you it is in heaven, no matter the state of affairs here on earth.
Jesus is at the right side of the Father currently.
Jesus does not have to speak about it for it to be true, there are other books in the Bible that talk about it. An angel in the gospels prophecied about it however when he said that Jesus would rule on David's throne.
I know you guys believe David's throne is somehow in heaven, even though we know from history that it was on earth. But somehow the book of Acts has convinced you it is in heaven, no matter the state of affairs here on earth.
Jesus is at the right side of the Father currently.
That is a ridicilous statement. Peter expected a physical kingdom as well, even after Jesus' resurrection. There is nothing wrong with a physical kingdom, this is not a gnosticism 101 course.
The kingdom is both spiritual and physical, the Bible is crystal clear on the physicality of it. Last time I checked amillenialists also believe in a physical new heaven and new earth?
The kingdom is both spiritual and physical, the Bible is crystal clear on the physicality of it. Last time I checked amillenialists also believe in a physical new heaven and new earth?
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Oh, now I see. You are one of those who has succumbed to that known false teaching which I have heard many times before. You have read or heard and adopted a false teaching, comparing the cattle on a thousand hills found in Psalms 50:10, with the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20.
Psalms 50:10 - for every beast of the forest is Mine—the cattle on a thousand hills.
"He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years."
"They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
Psalms 50:10 is basically saying that God created and owns all the cattle, as well as all the other animals and everything that exists. The meaning of a thousand hills here in Psalms should not be applied to the scriptures which refer to a thousand years found in Revelation. There is no reason to go outside of the context and apply the same meaning found in Psalms to Revelation. The context is what should be considered.
The thousand years in Revelation is literal and not hyperbole nor parabolic.
Here in Revelation when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, Satan is going to be thrown into and restricted in the Abyss for a literal thousand years, which is also the same time that the Lord will reign on the earth from the throne of king David in fulfillment of scripture. The immortal and glorified church, the great tribulation saints and the 144,000 will rule with Christ during the Lord's literal thousand year reign.
If the plain literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense
Psalms 50:10 - for every beast of the forest is Mine—the cattle on a thousand hills.
"He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years."
"They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
Psalms 50:10 is basically saying that God created and owns all the cattle, as well as all the other animals and everything that exists. The meaning of a thousand hills here in Psalms should not be applied to the scriptures which refer to a thousand years found in Revelation. There is no reason to go outside of the context and apply the same meaning found in Psalms to Revelation. The context is what should be considered.
The thousand years in Revelation is literal and not hyperbole nor parabolic.
Here in Revelation when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, Satan is going to be thrown into and restricted in the Abyss for a literal thousand years, which is also the same time that the Lord will reign on the earth from the throne of king David in fulfillment of scripture. The immortal and glorified church, the great tribulation saints and the 144,000 will rule with Christ during the Lord's literal thousand year reign.
If the plain literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense
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"Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!” - Luke 1:31
Jesus was crucified, buried and resurrected and later ascended to the right hand of God. Therefore, the prophecy above has yet to be fulfilled. A millennial kingdom is coming, but first the church must be gathered, God's wrath must take place and Jesus must return to the earth to end the age. Then the scripture above will take place.
Jesus was crucified, buried and resurrected and later ascended to the right hand of God. Therefore, the prophecy above has yet to be fulfilled. A millennial kingdom is coming, but first the church must be gathered, God's wrath must take place and Jesus must return to the earth to end the age. Then the scripture above will take place.
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Prove a physical kingdom from the Scriptures? Okay:
Here is a good summary, with many verses listed: https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...topics/summary-of-the-millennial-kingdom.html
The easiest way to probably do this is Zechariah 14, the whole chapter but particularly these verses:
Zec 14:4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. [NOTE: Jerusalem is attacked, Jesus returns and His feet TOUCH the mount of olives, PHYSICAL location, same place where Jesus ascended from, Acts 1:11]
Zec 14:8 On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
Zec 14:10 The whole land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. But Jerusalem shall remain aloft on its site from the Gate of Benjamin to the place of the former gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's winepresses. [NOTE: In this verse these are all PHYSICAL locations in Israel, not mystical spiritual plains]
Zec 14:16 Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths. [NOTE: Again, physical place called Jerusalem where people have to go to keep a Feast]
This is also seen in the book of Revelation, if you open the book and read it from beginning to end, you will find that Jesus returns with the saints in Revelation 19 throws the beast and the false prophet to the lake of fire, then the story continues in Revelation 20 where the devil is bound and people are resurrected to rule and reign with Jesus for a thousand years. The saints are ruling with Jesus over the nations, and in fact this is one of the promises to the Churches (Rev 2:26 Jesus says He will give him who overcomes authority over the nations, if there are no nations this is not possible to be fulfilled).
At the end of the millennium the devil is released again and the faith of the nations is tested, they had perfect living conditions yet satan deceives them yet again, after they have been ruled by Jesus and the saints for a millenium, this time satan is also cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet ARE (already are as they were thrown there previously a thousand years ago, not simultaneously as you would be forced to believe)
After this there is the Great White Throne Judgment and then the new heaven and new earth is created in Revelation 21. This should be easy to understand, but there is something that causes people to reject a physical millennium, I do not know what it is, is it the fact that they dont want a LITERAL physical Israel to be restored? Is it tradition in their churches? Who knows.
Here is a good summary, with many verses listed: https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...topics/summary-of-the-millennial-kingdom.html
The easiest way to probably do this is Zechariah 14, the whole chapter but particularly these verses:
Zec 14:4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. [NOTE: Jerusalem is attacked, Jesus returns and His feet TOUCH the mount of olives, PHYSICAL location, same place where Jesus ascended from, Acts 1:11]
Zec 14:8 On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. It shall continue in summer as in winter.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
Zec 14:10 The whole land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. But Jerusalem shall remain aloft on its site from the Gate of Benjamin to the place of the former gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's winepresses. [NOTE: In this verse these are all PHYSICAL locations in Israel, not mystical spiritual plains]
Zec 14:16 Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths. [NOTE: Again, physical place called Jerusalem where people have to go to keep a Feast]
This is also seen in the book of Revelation, if you open the book and read it from beginning to end, you will find that Jesus returns with the saints in Revelation 19 throws the beast and the false prophet to the lake of fire, then the story continues in Revelation 20 where the devil is bound and people are resurrected to rule and reign with Jesus for a thousand years. The saints are ruling with Jesus over the nations, and in fact this is one of the promises to the Churches (Rev 2:26 Jesus says He will give him who overcomes authority over the nations, if there are no nations this is not possible to be fulfilled).
At the end of the millennium the devil is released again and the faith of the nations is tested, they had perfect living conditions yet satan deceives them yet again, after they have been ruled by Jesus and the saints for a millenium, this time satan is also cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet ARE (already are as they were thrown there previously a thousand years ago, not simultaneously as you would be forced to believe)
After this there is the Great White Throne Judgment and then the new heaven and new earth is created in Revelation 21. This should be easy to understand, but there is something that causes people to reject a physical millennium, I do not know what it is, is it the fact that they dont want a LITERAL physical Israel to be restored? Is it tradition in their churches? Who knows.
Have you read the verse? Jesus did not rebuke them just said they are not to know the times and seasons:
Acts 1:6-7 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.
Acts 1:6-7 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.
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Jesus stated that even He does not know the day or time that He will return as that is only known by the Father. Jesus also stated that He is coming in the clouds with the saints and that from East to West every eye shall see Him. That obviously has not happen yet. . While the exact day and time is not known Jesus did mention the parable of the fig tree to know when the season is near for the culmination of end-time events as stated in scripture. You might consider getting with the program while there is still time for the days are getting shorter. Jesus mentioned that too.
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Sorry, but that is not the order that it is listed in Revelation
1). Gathering of the church (John 14:1-3, I Thess.4:13-17, I Cor.15:50-53, Rev.4:1)
2). God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments ( Revelation chapters 6 thru 18)
3). Jesus returns to the earth to end the age (Matt.24:30-31, Rev.1:7, 19:11-15)
4). Beast and false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20)
5). Satan is seized and thrown into the Abyss (Rev.20:1)
6). The church and great tribulation saints rule with Christ during the thousand years (Rev.2:26, 20:4-6)
7). Satan released at the end of the thousand years (Rev.20:7)
When Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, Satan will be seized and thrown into and sealed in the Abyss during the Lord's thousand year reign. It is during that time that the resurrected and caught up church and the great tribulation saints will rule with the Lord.
1). Gathering of the church (John 14:1-3, I Thess.4:13-17, I Cor.15:50-53, Rev.4:1)
2). God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments ( Revelation chapters 6 thru 18)
3). Jesus returns to the earth to end the age (Matt.24:30-31, Rev.1:7, 19:11-15)
4). Beast and false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20)
5). Satan is seized and thrown into the Abyss (Rev.20:1)
6). The church and great tribulation saints rule with Christ during the thousand years (Rev.2:26, 20:4-6)
7). Satan released at the end of the thousand years (Rev.20:7)
When Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, Satan will be seized and thrown into and sealed in the Abyss during the Lord's thousand year reign. It is during that time that the resurrected and caught up church and the great tribulation saints will rule with the Lord.
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