Why the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not for Today

[Dave-L]

Blame Jesus.
You need to reframe the nt to bolster such nonsense

This is history you can't undo.

 

[Absolutely]

Do you believe you can raise the dead?

Jesus can.
He left us the Holy Spirit,power,and anointing.

Thats the thing. Your doctrine prohibits even the possibility....in your mind...not in reality.

 

[Dave-L]

I already addressed your logical fallacy with regard to your claims about Philip. You marked "Informative" on it, which means you read it (I hope), yet here you are repeating it.

smh...

You haven't proven my thesis wrong.

 

[Dave-L]

People brain dead or near brain dead can not serve God.

David did his exploits by faith. He exercised faith after he got anointed by samuel.

The key is in the anointing. Not baptist theory formulas.

After the anointing we recieve power. Faith comes in measure. Under the anointing faith rises.
Jesus told them to tary in Jerusalem to recieve the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said in essence "dont try ministry or a walk like mine without the Baptism in the Holy Spirit."

Jesus said "they will speak in tongues and cast out demons"
W h o? The 12?
Nope "they that believe"

ANYBODY SAVRD CAN GO TO THE UPPER ROOM.

What you are doing is disagreeing with Jesus.

"If yo being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, HOW MUCH MORE WILL THE FATHER GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT to those that ask"

What??
It was to anybody?
Yep

You still miss my point let alone disprove it.

 

[Absolutely]

This is history you can't undo.

Yes Jesus words can not be undone.

If you take whatever history or mans failure over the eternal,you just chose the low road.

Your history is a weak deflection.
Jesus is eternal truth and power.
He never ceased,your leaders did

 

[Dave-L]

Jesus can.
He left us the Holy Spirit,power,and anointing.

Thats the thing. Your doctrine prohibits even the possibility....in your mind...not in reality.

You can claim the gifts only if you can prove to have the same level of miracles the Apostles did.

 

[Dave-L]

Yes jusus words can not be undone.

If you take whatever history or mans failure over the eternal,you just chose the low road.

Your history is a weak deflection.
Jesus is eternal truth and power.
He never ceased,your leaders did

You must prove Curtis Edwards wrong. And history won't allow it. Here's an independent voice in the matter. https://www.dana.org/article/speaking-in-tongues-glossolalia-and-stress-reduction/

 

[Absolutely]

You still miss my point let alone disprove it.

Take salvation for example.
Your brain is involved.
Its not just an abstract completely bypassing the brain.

 

[Dave-L]

Take salvation for example.
Your brain is involved.
Its not just an abstract completely bypassing the brain.

What about those in a comma?

 

[Absolutely]

You can claim the gifts only if you can prove to have the same level of miracles the Apostles did.

Show me the supposed level of all the apostles.

Go ahead and try.

Your statements are from a work book or something....not the bible.

A simple bible study refutes you.. over,and over again.

 

[Dino246]

You haven't proven my thesis wrong.

I proved it fallacious, so it is invalid and you should no longer be using it as an argument.

 

[Absolutely]

What about those in a comma?

Bingo.

You still think the brain is completely bypassed?

 

[Dino246]

What about those in a comma?

Nobody moves from unsaved to saved while in a coma.

 

[Absolutely]

No, I phrased it correctly. This isn't about God at all, it's been all about you, your faith. You.

It is always about you; maintaining salvation, your faith being superior to others &c.

That's my point, nearly everything you post is self-glorifying. Top that off with your snide response to Dave L which further proves your un-Christ like persona. You should apologize to him for your unwarranted comments meant to insult him. Careful, you may lose "your" salvation.

Prove it.
I went back several pages.
I saw zero insults.

 

[Absolutely]

Exactly. Plus I have copyrighted material I should not use.

Your problem is your starting place.
We have 2 completely different starting places.
I been there done that.

You have the impossible task of making us believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit abandoned the church.

 

[Absolutely]

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me [not just Apostles, but every believer] , the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father (John. 14:12)

Because of our union with Christ, his works become our works. And the greater works he now performs ruling the nations of the world and all of nature, we share in by virtue of our being his body.

and He raised us up and seated us together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:6–7

So when Jesus said we believers will cast out demons and speak in tongues Jesus was wrong?

 

[Absolutely]

No doubt there are charlatans in the church today, who claim miracles, but which haven't occurred. But this in no way takes away from the fact that miracles DO occur. You throw the baby out with the bathwater....as the saying goes.

Yep
It's like saying since many christians are phony or hypocrites,that means all christianity is fake

 

[EternalFire]

If you define Satan's binding according to scripture, and not according to the definition of binding in secular thinking, the gospel bound him from deceiving the nations (gentiles) only. In view of the promise made to Abraham.

Satan is clearly not yet bound (Rev 20:2), according to the Apostle Peter (1Pe 5:8-9):

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.

 

[wolfwint]

“And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV 1900)

That wj

“And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV 1900)

What has this verse to do with the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Bye the way this was a promisse for the nation of Israel.

 

[Jackson123]

I posted a new thread on the Millennium as a Pharisee doctrine. It's waiting approval. Maybe we can pick it up there in a while.

Ok I Will check It out