Not By Works

[Discern]

As taught by the Bible, you mean.

When Jesus leaves the ninety nine for the one that strayed, does He fail in some cases?

No.

 

[PS]

You just said it and yet you don’t believe it. If you have faith in Jesus you are saved.

Faith is fickle.

 

[Discern]

Yeah right..... "that person did not perserver oh...they must not have been saved"

Not an accurate representation of the Doctrine. Remember Hebrews 3:6 and Heb 3:14?

 

[Lightskin]

And if we convert to Islam, what then?

Then you’re guilty of blasphemy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Answer it for myself...OK

If I do the thing described in the question, then YES it is possible that I was never saved.

You must be sinless

 

[EleventhHour]

So says the one that thinks 1 John3 is about two parts of the believer. It is not. It is about two different groups of people.

That makes sense for sure.... his audience was not sure if they were sinners or saints.

 

[Lightskin]

Faith is fickle.

I reiterate; you lack faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Every man sins. But we are talking about something deliberate, habitual, and ONGOING.

A person that CHOOSES to CONTINUE in a bad path is not living in the 1 John 3:2-3 principle, is he?

And the rest of 1 John 3 indicates that if such a pattern is ONGOING and habitual, that person likely has never been saved.

Read the rest of 1 John 3

Your talkin about 1 sin

That’s where your situation fails

 

[PS]

Yeah right..... "that person did not perserver oh...they must not have been saved"

So when I used to run marathon races, if I dropped out, I had never run!!!

 

[Discern]

I am not God, here you are asking me to judge a hypothetical not knowing thIs whole persons life. Based on 1 sin

and yes it is possible. If not you just condemned yourself and many others. All who sin in some fashion the rest of there lives
Living in sin is NOT one sin issue. It is a lifestyle of living completely is sin. Unable to not sin because you are lost

king David lived in adultry as did Abraham who also had multiple wives

are they lost?

No, because he was a man after Gods own heart and that fact led to his sorrow for sin and amendment of his ways.

Easy

 

[Lightskin]

you and I have no power to decide who is practicing sin

Matthew 18

 

[Discern]

Your talkin about 1 sin

That’s where your situation fails

So only many sins count?

How many sins is John talking about in 1 John 3?

 

[Discern]

Your missing the whole point
you and I have no power to decide who is practicing sin
hence it is a non topic

We should focus on serving not worried about sin. God will take care of that will he not?

Who is deciding that? We are talking merely in terms of what the Bible says

What does the Bible say about those who continually practice sin

 

[Lightskin]

So when I used to run marathon races, if I dropped out, I had never run!!!

Yet you were still deemed a contestant.

 

[EleventhHour]

Then you’re guilty of blasphemy.

You know they always try to find ways to denigrate what Jesus has done... surely grace is not enough to save...... is what they are really saying..... but they will not come out and state it directly...they make it a sin issue.

Paul knew what the were really thinking and he stated their condemnation was just...how is that for hard truth.

 

[PS]

As I stated no one needs a license to sin..... I have yet to drive by the BUREAU of SINNING LICENCE.

We sin period.

As well to make such a statement that grace is a "license to sin" basically means you do not believe the Gospel...that all sin was dealt with at the cross.

The problem is with people, not God.

 

[Discern]

That makes sense for sure.... his audience was not sure if they were sinners or saints.

Read 1 John 3:10. It destroys your and Eternally grateful’s protests.

 

[Lightskin]

surely grace is not enough to save is what they are really saying but they will not come out and
state it.

I would respect them if they did in fact state those very words, because you’re right, that is exactly how they feel but they deliberately refuse to say so.

 

[PS]

Yet you were still deemed a contestant.

Yes. A runner in the flesh, and saved in the spirit. Unless I drop out.

That will never happen

 

[Discern]

You must be sinless

Nope. Even though I sin, I hate sin and desire righteousness

question. If I have a lustful thought in my head and confess it, is that the same as leaving my wife and living in ongoing adultery. Same thing, right? No

Or if I tell one lie is that the same as being a pathological liar?