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Rosemaryx

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So God calls us from the foundation of the world , before we were born , but then He changes His mind , yet the bible says God does not change...

So while He throws us back into satan's world , He is also calling His Son a liar when Jesus said " I will lose not one "
This must be how people think about their god , but we have the creature of the world in whom we trust , faithful and true , and never tells lies , we are His children forever , eternally secure...

These ones who go on about us losing our Salvation maybe need to check to see if they are in the faith , seriously , God can take our life just like that...
 
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BillG said:
Not really.

Converse with John and see if you come to the same conclusion.
The elect are from the beginning of time and are in the book of life according to John.
If that's the case then those elect are OSAS.
They have to be if they are elected from the beginning of time.

Maybe just put aside the thoughts you believe what OSAS is expressed in your posts on here.
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I was taught that the elect could be for example, Israel, Abraham, Moses, Judas etc. These people were elected from the foundation of the earth, even Jesus, to do a particular job. I know Christians can be members of the elect as well, but I have never found out what their role is in life, unless the Apostle Paul is an example. I seem to think he was also elected for a particular roll. Maybe we should ask ourselves what we have been elected for to do for God? One thing I do know, is that scripture is deeper than we first think.

Night all.
 
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Rosemaryx said:
So God calls us from the foundation of the world , before we were born , but then He changes His mind , yet the bible says God does not change...

So while He throws us back into satan's world , He is also calling His Son a liar when Jesus said " I will lose not one "
This must be how people think about their god , but we have the creature of the world in whom we trust , faithful and true , and never tells lies , we are His children forever , eternally secure...

These ones who go on about us losing our Salvation maybe need to check to see if they are in the faith , seriously , God can take our life just like that...
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Creator I meant , but I know you know that :D
 
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Rosemaryx said:
So God calls us from the foundation of the world , before we were born , but then He changes His mind , yet the bible says God does not change...

So while He throws us back into satan's world , He is also calling His Son a liar when Jesus said " I will lose not one "
This must be how people think about their god , but we have the creature of the world in whom we trust , faithful and true , and never tells lies , we are His children forever , eternally secure...

These ones who go on about us losing our Salvation maybe need to check to see if they are in the faith , seriously , God can take our life just like that...
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This is what happened to Adam and Eve. They got thrown into Satans world because they failed to remain loyal to God. We would say that they backslid away from God.

God is unchanging and so are his rules. We are the ones who change.
 
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PS said:
This is what happened to Adam and Eve. They got thrown into Satans world because they failed to remain loyal to God. We would say that they backslid away from God.

God is unchanging and so are his rules. We are the ones who change.
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And God gave them His grace...
Under grace we have our Advocate , our pleader who pleads on our behalf , our Intercessor , our Councillor , because we are IN Christ , not in and out , back and forth , so sad you do not trust Jesus...
 
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PS said:
This is what happened to Adam and Eve. They got thrown into Satans world because they failed to remain loyal to God. We would say that they backslid away from God.

God is unchanging and so are his rules. We are the ones who change.
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Yes and God fully fixed that problem through His Son Jesus who accomplished everything perfectly.

And we who believe are made right with God by the work of the new Adam.
 
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@PS

Maybe we should ask ourselves what we have been elected for to do for God?
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Here we go

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
He continues to tell people to stop doing the very thing he continues to do.

i personally am sick of his insults and attacks, that’s why will continue to come at him like he comes at us, give him his own medicine,
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Amen.......as long as he devalues the truth and falsely accuses us and OSAS as pushing sin as you please I will continue to light him up and expose his bloviated blather!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Read this, read this hard, study it, and contemplate what you have said,

the bolder part PROVES you do not believe Jesus saves till the end, if you did, you would never make such a comment, that Jesus saving grace is conditional on mans works,

by saying this, you claim, Jesus MAY save to the end, not WILL save to the end

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Amen and exactly how subtle false teachers are.....just like Satan, add or change ONE WORD amd it makes it into a lie.....he and a few others are very good at doing this....!
eternally-gratefull said:
When you stop attacking us and lying and slandering our faith, we will stop apposing your lies and slander

however, we will continue to spread our faith, and if that offends you, then I suggest you go someplace else.
this is an open bible discussion forum, if you have no desire to DISCUSS I am sure there are some christian chat forums out there where everyone believes as you do. and they will welcome you with open arms.
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Amen....and he had the gall to say @EleventhHour was in a cult...and remember the other day....if he seen me he was gonna beat me up....Hahaahhaahhaahahhaha good luck with that!
 
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EleventhHour said:
Have them boil?

Those that stand and agree with Jesus that our salvation is secure as He promised are attacked and maligned daily on here.

We defend the Gospel and reveal the unbelief that lurks within those that come here and clamour how they are saving themselves.

....and two such people recently went bye bye
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WD-40 is just another one that devalues and waters down the gospel......
 
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Melach said:
hahaha. sounds like something sergeant would tell us in the army. its like this: one person dont make their bed right in the morning and we all had to take our matresses with us and in our boxers run around the compound in -20celcius degrees then we do bed again and if wrong again then run again.
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Once a Marine, always a Marine ;)
 
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JohnW34 said:
Not by works but by sin they cry ............

Not by works but by cleansing and purity that comes through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour they cry ............

If we are not cleansed then how can we ever be pure and holy, only sin remains, but then there is no love and communion with God and we have sacrificed the only relationship in the world that could save us.
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Lying does not help your cause WD-40.....as a matter of fact it is one of seven things that God hates....congratulations on making the Proverbs 6 list!
 
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VCO said:
You have got to be kidding me?

IT IS NOT A REWARD. HEAVEN REWARDS ARE IMPERISHABLE LAUREL WREATH CROWNS.



Salvation is a FREE GIFT, which does not require any form of payment.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

Romans 11:29 (HCSB)
29 since God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

John 4:10 (NCV)
10 Jesus said, “If you only knew the free gift of God and who it is that is asking you for water, you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.“

Romans 5:15-17 (NCV)
15 But God’s free gift is not like Adam’s sin. Many people died because of the sin of that one man. But the grace from God was much greater; many people received God’s gift of life by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ.
16 After Adam sinned once, he was judged guilty. But the gift of God is different. God’s free gift came after many sins, and it makes people right with God.
17 One man sinned, and so death ruled all people because of that one man. But now those people who accept God’s full grace and the great gift of being made right with him will surely have true life and rule through the one man, Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:23 (NRSV)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me, [the very first moment you genuinely LOVED HIM, YOU ARE ETERNALLY SAVED.]
you will keep My commands. [then after that, obedience is a result of that LOVE, and NEVER WAS PART OF SALVATION.]

No, we are not perfect at it, but the NEW NATURE of our born again human spirit, is to strive to obey HIM out of LOVE.
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He was being facetious migo...he fully embraces Grace and saved by faith eternally
 
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mailmandan said:
He actually said he would beat you up? o_O Good grief! Which post was that?
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I don't remember off the top of my head....was like a week ago or so.....maybe longer.....I laughed out loud and told him he needed to eat his wheaties and I think someone reminded him that I was a Marine and not a good idea
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Your continued approval if said poster speaks volumes
you do realize. As a said OSAS supporter the very man you are defending has personally attacked you by proxy numerous times over the past few years
if you wish to defend yourself in ignorance that’s fine. But you can no longer claim ignorance as you have been warned
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WD-40 waters down the gospel.....faith PLUS water for salvation.....
 
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