Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

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This is the first time I've ever encountered a teaching like this, and to be honest, I have a feeling the OP is right. Especially when the verse about King Solomon receiving 666 talents of gold was mentioned. That was similar to how the banking system came into being, currencies backed by gold and then intrinsic value determined by legal tender with no backing by anything. Even if the mark of the beast is not the fiat system itself, it is definitely closely linked to it.

Just throwing a conjecture out there, King Solomon (a type of the beast who had control of the mark of the beast) received actual gold as his income from all those under his rule, which is exactly what the current fiat system did. The ultimate owner of the fiat system took all the gold from those under his rule.

Being a former student of finance, I was disgusted with the fiat system since years back. It is "creating something out of nothing", giving people the illusion of possessing wealth while those in control of the system slowly gained control of the actual tangible wealth (like gold) and commodities needed for basic human survival. It is a system of deception and utter slavery. You could contribute decades of actual labor to earn income for your daily food only to have all that income completely wiped out by an economic disaster in one day. Just look at Lehman Brothers and its aftermath.
 
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Inflation also widens the economic gap p between the wealthy and the middle class, not to mention what it does to the poor.
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So, according to OP‘s premise, anyone who has used paper money is doomed to eternal damnation?
 
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Sipsey said:
So, according to OP‘s premise, anyone who has used paper money is doomed to eternal damnation?
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We all need to seek God about this. Revelations said those people worshipped the beast and received his mark, which most likely means they willingly accepted it even after knowing what it is. Most of us were born into the system already, ignorant that it was actually the mark. At least I didn’t know until this year.

If we stop our doubts and presumptions of how it can never be the mark and just seek God for revelation, then truly reject and seek to get rid of it after knowing it is the mark, then we have not truly received it. That is my hunch.
 
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No, loving your neighbor fulfills the law of Moses.

Sometimes people try to present it this way: loving one's neighbor is the thing to keep in mind while you are physically completing the commandments in the law. No. Loving one's neighbor is the fulfillment of the law.
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Loving one’s neighbour is always shown through actions. Saying that I love my neighbour but then do nothing to help him when he is in need is not love, it’s hypocrisy. The examples stated in Torah are just how you can love your neighbour through actions.
 
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Enxu said:
We all need to seek God about this. Revelations said those people worshipped the beast and received his mark, which most likely means they willingly accepted it even after knowing what it is. Most of us were born into the system already, ignorant that it was actually the mark. At least I didn’t know until this year.

If we stop our doubts and presumptions of how it can never be the mark and just seek God for revelation, then truly reject and seek to get rid of it after knowing it is the mark, then we have not truly received it. That is my hunch.
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You have identified the mark of the beast as currency. What is God's sign? If we knew, what God's sign is then it be easy to identify the mark of the beast. But how can you come to conclusion of the false without knowing the genuine sign first?
 
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Enxu said:
We all need to seek God about this. Revelations said those people worshipped the beast and received his mark, which most likely means they willingly accepted it even after knowing what it is. Most of us were born into the system already, ignorant that it was actually the mark. At least I didn’t know until this year.

If we stop our doubts and presumptions of how it can never be the mark and just seek God for revelation, then truly reject and seek to get rid of it after knowing it is the mark, then we have not truly received it. That is my hunch.
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Well, if I’m already doomed, all y’all just send your cash in a plain envelope to P.O. Box 198, care of Me.
 
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Rather interesting a new member went and found this thread and continues with the same line of thought. :unsure:
 
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3angelsmsg said:
You have identified the mark of the beast as currency. What is God's sign? If we knew, what God's sign is then it be easy to identify the mark of the beast. But how can you come to conclusion of the false without knowing the genuine sign first?
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An adulterous generation seeks for a sign according to Jesus. It is a matter of inner conviction from the Spirit, not signs.
 
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Rather interesting a new member went and found this thread and continues with the same line of thought. :unsure:
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Even without such a thread, it is still true that fiat system is downright evil, deceptive and ungodly. It is a system of lies and thievery. Should believers in Jesus condone such a system by using it? Didn’t the Gospel say believers should not partake in evil?
 
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An adulterous generation seeks for a sign according to Jesus. It is a matter of inner conviction from the Spirit, not signs.
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You understood me incorrectly. I am not seeking for a 'miracle sign'. You got the context wrong. I am purely asking 'What is God's sign of authority'. If you are saying 'money is the devil's sign'. What would be God's sign. For example, lets take one dollar note. How will you be able to identify the false one dollar note, without knewing how the genuine one should looks like? That is the context of my question.
 
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3angelsmsg said:
You understood me incorrectly. I am not seeking for a 'miracle sign'. You got the context wrong. I am purely asking 'What is God's sign of authority'. If you are saying 'money is the devil's sign'. What would be God's sign. For example, lets take one dollar note. How will you be able to identify the false one dollar note, without knewing how the genuine one should looks like? That is the context of my question.
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I never said money itself is the devil’s sign. Money comes in many forms, even gold and silver were once money. But modern day money in the form of fiat currency had been used for thievery and deception, that is the work of the devil. Even if this thread does not exist, the Gospel already said believers are not to partake in evil, So true believers would be convicted to discard the use of the fiat system.
 
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Enxu said:
Even without such a thread, it is still true that fiat system is downright evil, deceptive and ungodly. It is a system of lies and thievery. Should believers in Jesus condone such a system by using it? Didn’t the Gospel say believers should not partake in evil?
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How do you define fiat system?
 
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EleventhHour said:
How do you define fiat system?
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The fiat system is a system that arbitrarily assigns value to a purchasing medium, and generates wealth out of nothing. This is what happens with paper money. An arbitrary value is assigned to paper, giving it a worth not representative of the actual worth of paper itself. That is an act of deception and a lie. Then the Central Banks print these papers as money and distribute it to the mass population and generate arbitrary wealth even when there is nothing concrete to back up the wealth. That is why the banks can generate infinite wealth and governments can borrow and lend without restraint. The wealth created by the fiat system is blown out of proportion and becomes an illusion, there is no real wealth in this system that can be measured by gold, silver or commodities, they are purely numbers. Anyone who uses this system knowing what it is knowingly approves of the deception and participates in evil. Whether it is the mark of the beast is beside the point.
 
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EleventhHour said:
How do you define fiat system?
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Why do you think the mark of the beast is condemnable? Because it is a mark? No, because it is evil. Believers are exhorted to flee from even the appearance of evil. None of us should be concerned about whether something is the mark of the beast or not, we should be concerned about whether something is evil. The fiat system is downright evil from its advent.
 
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Well, if I’m already doomed, all y’all just send your cash in a plain envelope to P.O. Box 198, care of Me.
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Ive already gotten rid of all my fiat currency. I also don’t live in the US. You aren’t doomed unless you continue using it knowing that it is evil. Repent before it is too late, it isn’t worth it.
 
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Enxu said:
The fiat system is a system that arbitrarily assigns value to a purchasing medium, and generates wealth out of nothing. This is what happens with paper money. An arbitrary value is assigned to paper, giving it a worth not representative of the actual worth of paper itself. That is an act of deception and a lie. Then the Central Banks print these papers as money and distribute it to the mass population and generate arbitrary wealth even when there is nothing concrete to back up the wealth. That is why the banks can generate infinite wealth and governments can borrow and lend without restraint. The wealth created by the fiat system is blown out of proportion and becomes an illusion, there is no real wealth in this system that can be measured by gold, silver or commodities, they are purely numbers. Anyone who uses this system knowing what it is knowingly approves of the deception and participates in evil. Whether it is the mark of the beast is beside the point.
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You know this is not actually correct at all.
 
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Enxu said:
Ive already gotten rid of all my fiat currency. I also don’t live in the US. You aren’t doomed unless you continue using it knowing that it is evil. Repent before it is too late, it isn’t worth it.
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You connected to the person who started this thread?
 
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It will be a mark. Currencies have existe since before Jesus, Yeshua. He even made reference to it, and used a coin to pay the tax collector.

To this day I cannot understand why jewels and metals are intrinsically valuable to mankind. I look to the Gold andJewels of the Kingdom, for they are real.
 
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