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JohnW34

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eternally-gratefull said:
Your analogy of jumping up smelled of works and law and requirements
my anoligy spoke to the desperate situation we are in and how only faith in God can save
it’s actually quite simple
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I can see how you could take that approach.
Funny thing with bungy jumps is they are very desperate situations and only faith in the equipment will save you.

Now this is a few sentences interaction media, yet you read in so much.
Might be a little too intense, we are just talking faith analogies here. God bless you.
 
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EleventhHour

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JohnW34 said:
Got to laugh. We are all deluded in some way, on this small planet going round the sun, feeling it really really matters that this point is made and not that one.

Being plugged into Jesus, His word and the Holy Spirit is just the best.
After reading who Paul faced, I got it easy :)
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We are talking about truth you know and salvation.... not a point by point comparison of why tea tastes better in a cup rather than a mug.:rolleyes:
 
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DeighAnn

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JohnW34 said:
Do you know who wrote the story of Adam and Eve? Moses dictated by God.
If God wanted us to know this conspiracy idea, He would have told us.

Any teacher can invent elaborate stories not in scripture to explain word differences and ideas. It means nothing and causes much harm to the core message of the gospel which is about straight path walking in the power of the Holy Spirit.
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Are you saying Moses got this wrong, or God didn't mean it, or Gods Word is not perfect? What does this say?
Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This is not about "a teacher" but the Word of God. Who is He talking to and what does it say? This is the 1st prophecy in the Bible. That in itself is distinctive. Are you saying it is not true?
 
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EleventhHour

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Discern said:
Haha... what did I say that indicates this? Or what did I say that you take issue with?

Read my post again. You will find nothing that is out of sorts with osas teaching. All is fully compatible.
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I am concerned that you think he preaches sound doctrine.
 
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JohnW34

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BillG said:
Furthermore accusing people of using the grace of God as a license to sin and preaching it to others.

Regardless of what we say.
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I had a thought. If one is a conspiracy thinker, which these kind of forums attract, being extreme to provoke a response proves 200% they are right, the illuminate are here ..... :) Have you heard the phrase, illuminate confirmed ( as a joke )
 
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JohnW34

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DeighAnn said:
Are you saying Moses got this wrong, or God didn't mean it, or Gods Word is not perfect? What does this say?
Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This is not about "a teacher" but the Word of God. Who is He talking to and what does it say? This is the 1st prophecy in the Bible. That in itself is distinctive. Are you saying it is not true?
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No clue what you are on about, and put mildly, not wasting my time on it.
Sounds like you are also a serpent seed follower then.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Yes I know of Origen of Alexandria ... have not read his works but his pre-existence of souls was a belief that was sometimes talked about in Catholicism.

I am sad to read this.... surely as a born again believer you have received some healing from the past..... yes some suffer more than others for sure.... but I am a firm believer in making peace with one's past or hardships and moving on by the grace of God.

King James Bible
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
Isaiah 40:31
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I think that's what the Mormons believe.
Our souls pre-existed in heaven
 
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JohnW34

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EleventhHour said:
We are talking about truth you know and salvation.... not a point by point comparison of why tea tastes better in a cup rather than a mug.:rolleyes:
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I have to laugh. People go to theological school and find it either destroys their faith or is life transforming. This is just a kick about in comparison.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JohnW34 said:
I can see how you could take that approach.
Funny thing with bungy jumps is they are very desperate situations and only faith in the equipment will save you.

Now this is a few sentences interaction media, yet you read in so much.
Might be a little too intense, we are just talking faith analogies here. God bless you.
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If you did not have faith you would never jump

Just like if you never had faith you would never call out

In my situation everyone was us same situation. Lost and without hope. Yet given a choice allow the savior to save you or continue to try to save yourself

Your to focused on works and deeds. And not enough on Christ
 
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EleventhHour

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BillG said:
I think that's what the Mormons believe.
Our souls pre-existed in heaven
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Yes they too but in a different way... they believe that they came from heavenly parents.... was Origen believed that pre-existence was just a soul waiting to be born into this world.
 
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EleventhHour

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JohnW34 said:
I have to laugh. People go to theological school and find it either destroys their faith or is life transforming. This is just a kick about in comparison.
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That was my point ... lol
 
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JohnW34

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eternally-gratefull said:
If you did not have faith you would never jump

Just like if you never had faith you would never call out

In my situation everyone was us same situation. Lost and without hope. Yet given a choice allow the savior to save you or continue to try to save yourself

Your to focused on works and deeds. And not enough on Christ
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I hope you do not mind, do I need your correction?
It feels like an exam, where unless I say the right things, bam, here is the correction.

Can I share my take, and you share yours?
I am not aiming to correct or change you, that is the Lords work, just to share His word in my life.

Most of my interactions with people are not corrective and others would feel insulted if I went there, so I do not.
If this is who you are, thats great, but I hope you do not mind if I ignore that aspect of your approach.
 
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JohnW34 said:
I had a thought. If one is a conspiracy thinker, which these kind of forums attract, being extreme to provoke a response proves 200% they are right, the illuminate are here ..... :) Have you heard the phrase, illuminate confirmed ( as a joke )
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You had a thought?
Did it hurt:cool:

It does when I do.

I have heard of the illuminate but not illuminate confirmed.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JohnW34 said:
I hope you do not mind, do I need your correction?
It feels like an exam, where unless I say the right things, bam, here is the correction.

Can I share my take, and you share yours?
I am not aiming to correct or change you, that is the Lords work, just to share His word in my life.

Most of my interactions with people are not corrective and others would feel insulted if I went there, so I do not.
If this is who you are, thats great, but I hope you do not mind if I ignore that aspect of your approach.
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Again. It’s ok for you
when your ready to discuss let me know
 
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Discern

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EleventhHour said:
I am concerned that you think he preaches sound doctrine.
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What gave you that idea? Again, what did I say that caused you to come to this conclusion?

The post you are taking issue with says nothing that disagrees with Osas. And also did not agree with the videos in question.
 
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