sabbath

Grandpa · Jan 7, 2020

Wall said:

So how did God rest from His Work?

Did He go back on the 8th day and begin working again and then rest on the 14th day? And every consecutive 7th day afterward??

Or did He cease from His Work of Creation because it was finished? And continue in His Rest from day 7 onward?

SUNDOWNSAM · Jan 7, 2020

Grandpa said:

I didn't remove them from scripture. The 10 commandments are what brings people to Christ.

Once they come to Christ they receive rest from their work at the 10 commandments. They receive the understanding that the 10 commandments were intended as a Spiritual Law and can only be fulfilled and obeyed by the Spirit. Not by a carnal understanding of working at the law.

Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

This is the most simple explanation that can be given of WHY working at the law is NOT obedience to God. The way of obedience to God is by faith in Christ.

For some weird reason legalists and judaizers can never understand this simplicity. They can't break out of their circular reasoning which always brings them back to working at the law.

2 Corinthians 3:13-16
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Do you understand any of these passages that I have posted?

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In other words, to you once you are brought to Yeshua you forget about them?

grandpa, you are so stuck with your view that instead of weighing fairly what is being said by many you just continue to repeat what you are stuck with. I am tired of repeating myself to you.

SUNDOWNSAM · Jan 7, 2020

Grandpa said:

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The Lord Jesus didn't come to fulfill part of the law. He came to fulfill ALL the law.

People who have faith in Christ do not work at the law in their own carnal understanding and strength. That way is stubborn stupidity that leads nowhere.

Those who have faith in Christ are led to to Salvation and Righteousness. Which is lightyears ahead of anything you can achieve by working at the law.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

You know sabbath means rest, right?

This was prophesied by Ezekiel;
Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

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Matthew 11:28 has nothing to do with the Sabbath, you are making it fit your view. With all due respect to you, I will not repeat myself, just go back to my past post and you will get your response.

seed_time_harvest · Jan 7, 2020

If JESUS were to suddenly come walking around the corner ,there are some that would run up and try to hug HIS shadow.

JESUSLOVESME98 · Jan 7, 2020

Wait a second, wasn't one of the prophecies that the Messiah would strengthen the laws, taking them away sounds like the opposite?

Wall · Jan 7, 2020

JESUSLOVESME98 said:

Yeah

ISAIAH 42 [20] Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW, and make it honourable.

JESUSLOVESME98 · Jan 7, 2020

so why did he get rid of so many laws? Like Shabbat, Kosher and prayer 3 times a day.

Wall · Jan 7, 2020

JESUSLOVESME98 said:

Heres a prophecy about what happens to "many" of the gentiles

MATT.7 [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

So who are these people God does not know? Its they who practice lawlessness. Those who made Gods law void.

JEREMIAH 16 [19] O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, THE GENTILES SHALL COME UNTO THEE FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH, AND SHALL SAY, SURELY OUR FATHERS HAVE INHERITED LIES, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Jer.16 is a “Day of the Lord” scripture as is Matt.7. The “many” Gentiles have inherited lies. No profit! Why no profit?

ISAIAH 48 [17] Thus saith THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I AM THE LORD THY GOD WHICH TEACHETH THEE TO PROFIT, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

Whose your Redeemer? Profit! The 10 commandments. Most gentiles ignore Gods 4th commandment.

1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Theres the people that know God

Wall · Jan 7, 2020

JESUSLOVESME98 said:

Concerning shabbat and piggys...He didnt

Grandpa · Jan 7, 2020

SUNDOWNSAM said:

Galatians 3:24-26
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

You are stuck in your circular reasoning, as many other legalists and judaizers are, not understanding what we have in Christ and what Christ has done for us.

Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

If you were to go back and read all the scriptures that I posted to you it should be ABUNDANTLY obvious what role the Law plays in a Christians life and what role it DOES NOT.

But you don't seem to understand these scriptures.

Grandpa · Jan 7, 2020

SUNDOWNSAM said:

It has EVERYTHING to do with the sabbath and how it is fulfilled by Christ.

Christians no longer work at the law in order to keep sabbath. Christians are GIVEN Rest in Christ.

This is every day and not just Saturdays.

Wall · Jan 7, 2020

Grandpa said:

GALATIANS 3[10] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[11] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[12] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[13] CHRIST HATH REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:[14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; THAT WE MIGHT RECEIVE THE PROMISE OF THE SPIRIT THROUGH FAITH.

DEUT.11 [26] Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;[27] A BLESSING, IF YE OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD YOUR GOD, WHICH I COMMAND YOU THIS DAY:[28] AND A CURSE, IF YE WILL NOT OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD YOUR GOD, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known

The “many” will tell you the law itself is the curse. Just read Deut.11 to know the truth. Christ did not come to destroy the law but came to redeem us from the curse of the law that we might recieve the promise of the spirit through FAITH. BUT...

GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus

Before faith came to each and everyone of us, we are under the law {the 10 commandments, the schoolmaster}. So, according to this scripture you are kept under the law of the 10 commandments (the schoolmaster) until you are justified by faith in Christ. No shortcuts. Then there is no condemnation. After we have been brought to faith in Christ, do we then make void the law or are we to still be keeping Gods law?

ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.

Just because we have attained faith through the Word are we now to “do away” with Gods 10 commandments? GOD FORBID!

REV. 14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and THE FAITH OF JESUS.

Faith and the commandments. “Many” will say you cant mix faith and the law. Show them Rev.14

SUNDOWNSAM · Jan 7, 2020

Grandpa said:

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grandpa, with all due respect to you, I do not need to hear you repetitious post and you continue to post your view because you are interpreting Scriptures to fit your view, it is not what God made clear when he first spoke. I have one question to ask you... what is the new covenant to you? Please be brief without Scripture because if you are correct you will be speaking scriptures and I will see that.

JESUSLOVESME98 · Jan 7, 2020

Okay but what about all the others?
OOllaayla

Wall said:

JESUSLOVESME98 · Jan 7, 2020

SUNDOWNSAM said:

You see the question "what is the new covenant to you" implies that's subjective. And that doesn't make any sense.

Grandpa · Jan 7, 2020

Wall said:

Does Faith in Christ make void the 10 commandments?

No.

Does working at the law mean keeping the 10 commandments?

Big Giant resounding NO.

Faith in Christ means we are resting in His Righteousness and the Salvation we received as a gift. We abide in Christ and Christ produces the Fruit of Righteousness in our lives.

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

This is the fruit that Christ produces in us when we rest in and abide in Him.

Can these fruit be manufactured by working at the 10 commandments? NO.
Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Only by resting in Christ and NOT working at the law are the commandments kept and faith in Christ is achieved.

But those who work at the law and do not rest in Christ can't see this. (2 cor 3:14)

SUNDOWNSAM · Jan 7, 2020

Wall said:

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You are correct in saying that Yeshua took the curse of the law to the cross and that is what I have been telling them all alone that he took the curse of the law to the cross and not the law. Let me give you a great example that the Spirit of God enlightened my mind with an understanding on that how law and grace work... King Solomon show his grace toward his brother Absalom, he was told as long as he is obedient to Solomon's command he would have life, Absalom disobey and the law took effect. In other words, if we are saved by grace our faith will be perfect through our obedience to the law of God. Let me cross-reference this with what Yeshua said when he was ask what shall I do to have eternal life and what did Yeshua say to them?

See, we are saved by grace alone through faith apart from the law, but obedience to the law has to do with the walk with God and has nothing to do with works as they continue to say even though you tell them that you understand that works do not earn one salvation.

Grandpa · Jan 7, 2020

SUNDOWNSAM said:

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

This is the New Covenant in a nutshell. Which is the fulfillment of this prophecy;

Ezekiel 36:24-28
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

The Old Covenant was a covenant that relied on men keeping their part of it. Men, of course, could not uphold their part and broke the covenant.

The New Covenant relies purely on our faith that God upholds ALL the requirements of His New Covenant with us.

SUNDOWNSAM · Jan 7, 2020

JESUSLOVESME98 said:

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I am asking a question and it is a fair question, then you tell me what is the new covenant to you and be brief, this does not require Scriptures, the way you answer will tell me if it is Scriptural, so please briefly tell me what is the new covenant to you and if you do not respond because you really do not know then you should not be in this conversation because you are stating with knowing.

Judges1318 · Jan 7, 2020

Grandpa said:

So it isn't actually working at the law that sends you to hell.
But you keep saying that.
You should make it clear exactly what you mean.
For surely, faith upholds the law (Romans 3:31), for everything that means in this New Covenant.

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