Not By Works
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I’m not sure you’re understanding them. I can say with certainty that Eternally Grateful and MailmanDan hold that those who are saved continue to believe. They stated it clearly in their posts. You misunderstood the “never thirst” thing. Did you refer to the post number I gave you where he clarified that?
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Wrong again!
Just another horrendous translation that adds words to the text.
Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Faith is a gift from God, and it's irrevocable.
Just another horrendous translation that adds words to the text.
Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Faith is a gift from God, and it's irrevocable.
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That is a TRICK QUESTION. I told you BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS WILL NEVER FALL AWAY from was GIVEN TO THEM BEFORE TIME BEGAIN.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Only followers (disciples) of Jesus who have NEVER been Born Again, can fall away.
1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
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NO, WRONG AGAIN. Genuine Faith, happens the MOMENT YOU BELIEVE, which is when the Holy Spirit comes into your heart, and births your Human Spirit into Eternal LIFE. IT IS CALLED BORN AGAIN.
Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
Romans 4:4-5 (NET)
4 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due to obligation.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
Romans 4:4-5 (NET)
4 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due to obligation.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
28From the standpoint of the gospel they (Israel) are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. - Romans 11:28-29
Show me how this means you can never lose faith in God, and never lose salvation.
Then I will show you how it means Israel will one day be saved because of God's irrevocable promise to Abraham.
Show me how this means you can never lose faith in God, and never lose salvation.
Then I will show you how it means Israel will one day be saved because of God's irrevocable promise to Abraham.
Remember, the goal of the narcissist is to satisfy their desperate need to always feel superior to you. They do that by always being right. Being right is more important to them than the truth. That's why, for example, in one argument a person will say believers never stop believing, then in the next argument, when it suits them, that person will say the believer is still saved even if he stops believing. The need is to be right, not search out the truth. Truth is the narcissist's kryptonite.
They will say whatever they need to say to be right. And they will do whatever they need to do to be right, which includes provoking you to respond in an uncivil manner so they can appear morally superior to you. If they can't win an argument on facts, they will attack you personally in order to provoke you to bad behavior. Anything to maintain the desperate need to feel superior to you.
I'm sharing this so some people here can recognize this about themselves and prepare themselves for the return of Jesus. And so the pages and pages of unjust treatment of others in this thread can finally come to an end. After all, as Chris1975 pointed out, that's what this is all about. Christianity isn't about having correct 'religious' doctrine. It's about having doctrine that changes who you are.
They will say whatever they need to say to be right. And they will do whatever they need to do to be right, which includes provoking you to respond in an uncivil manner so they can appear morally superior to you. If they can't win an argument on facts, they will attack you personally in order to provoke you to bad behavior. Anything to maintain the desperate need to feel superior to you.
I'm sharing this so some people here can recognize this about themselves and prepare themselves for the return of Jesus. And so the pages and pages of unjust treatment of others in this thread can finally come to an end. After all, as Chris1975 pointed out, that's what this is all about. Christianity isn't about having correct 'religious' doctrine. It's about having doctrine that changes who you are.
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I think what you mean to say is our works have no part in our justification.
Works have no part in earning justification. But they do have to be present in a valid salvation experience, or else, you don't have the salvation experience you think have, and you are not prepared to meet Christ when he returns. Real saving faith is evidenced by the changed life. No changed life means no saving faith is present.
So what's the answer, try real hard to do works? Argue real hard that you don't need works to be saved when Jesus comes back? No.
The answer is to get born again.
"God, be merciful to me, the sinner!" - Luke 18:13
Works have no part in earning justification. But they do have to be present in a valid salvation experience, or else, you don't have the salvation experience you think have, and you are not prepared to meet Christ when he returns. Real saving faith is evidenced by the changed life. No changed life means no saving faith is present.
So what's the answer, try real hard to do works? Argue real hard that you don't need works to be saved when Jesus comes back? No.
The answer is to get born again.
"God, be merciful to me, the sinner!" - Luke 18:13
As regards the gospel, they (Israel) are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they (Abraham and his seed) are beloved (even in their state of exclusion) for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. (Rom 11:28-29 ESV)
(Insertions from Jamison-Fausset-Brown)
(Insertions from Jamison-Fausset-Brown)
We are saved and justified by the blood of the Lamb
Rom_3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
not by works
Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Our salvation and justification is entirely the gift of God in Jesus Christ
Rom_3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
not by works
Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Our salvation and justification is entirely the gift of God in Jesus Christ
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The Amplified Bible translation is a well recognised translation that uses additional English words to bring out true meanings and various other nuances from the original Greek and Hebrew. It usually takes more English words to express what a single Greek word conveys. That is why it is so useful to be used in conjunction with a normally accepted and well respected translation.
Yet you know better.
Yet you know better.