Prophesying Forbidden

[Absolutely]

I am not making the common error of imputing to the word perfect a modern English definition. Perfect in this case refers to the completeness of the word of God not the Godly nature of the word. A good portion of the word of God had not yet been given when these verses were written.

To argue with you is quite pointless. We are certainly in the time when men will not endure sound doctrine but will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears. You cannot admit error you refuse to see.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Lol.
You guys made that up.

Jesus gave the power.

In your mind .you think the bible removed the power.

You guys simply made that up.

You changed the holy bible,the word of God.

Yep, your doctrine is against Christ. It is against the very Word of God.

What a awful pit.

 

[Absolutely]

Pssssst, if Jesus was slain from the froundation of the world,when was the bible written?

You guys completely missed the target.

You walked up,to the barn,you and your teachers to shoot the side of the barn.

From 2 feet away you blasted both barrels....

....and missed

 

[Absolutely]

Wow

What a legacy.

To think some humanoid with a changed bible could rob Jesus and his church.

That is truly some impossible far fetched desire.

To not only be fooled by it,but to actually kick against the word of God to mock it and those hungry enough to belive what Jesus's book REALLY SAYS.

 

[Absolutely]

HEY, Jesus lost all his power when the bible was published!!!
Wow,now thats a great gospel!!!

Lets start a powerless church
Yes and train preachers to make sure Jesus stays at bay!!

Now Jesus,you sit here on the curb and if we ever decide ,we may let you into our "church"

Who thought of that baloney?

Thank God I got saved during the charismatic movement. What a feast!!!

 

[garee]

Garee, I'm wondering something... when you respond to someone else's post, do you read the post they have quoted? Your comments are completely unrelated to the prior discussion. It seems that you treat every post as the first in a thread. That's not helping.

Yes I do read. Whether you think that they are related is another . Did you have a question?

 

[Dino246]

Yes I do read. Whether you think that they are related is another . Did you have a question?

I asked a question; you responded. I don't find your response satisfactory though. Too often it seems like you randomly choose a recent post and write a reply that is related to the thread topic, but not to that particular post. It's like you're responding to a news article from last week while quoting this morning's headline. That, among other factors, makes it difficult for others to understand you, and many have given up trying.

 

[garee]

What does not being served by human hands have to do with what either of us is talking about? You seem to be throwing in random religious phrases again.


Calling Paul's epistles 'law' is just weird terminology, especially considering what Paul writes about not being under the law but under grace.

Its not weird at all. God's word is law . Not a philosophy of men, as a heresy or opinion.. No speculating needed.

Epistles as prophecy are no less a law than the ten commandment that require one believe. All scripture is God breathed as God moves men working in them to perform His good pleasure.

Using the word apostolical in respect to time or anything like special authority is where weirdness comes in. Its like the charismatics . fulness of grace oral tradition do something get filled. self edify one self.

The first apostle "sent one" sent with the gospel called prophesying was Abel .The word apostle simply mean sent one.

God sent a donkey with His words .He stopped the madness of a false apostle brining false prophecy . God is not served by human hands.

 

[garee]

I asked a question; you responded. I don't find your response satisfactory though. Too often it seems like you randomly choose a recent post and write a reply that is related to the thread topic, but not to that particular post. It's like you're responding to a news article from last week while quoting this morning's headline. That, among other factors, makes it difficult for others to understand you, and many have given up trying.

Thanks that was kind.

 

[Dino246]

Its not weird at all. God's word is law . Not a philosophy of men, as a heresy or opinion.. No speculating needed.

Epistles as prophecy are no less a law than the ten commandment that require one believe. All scripture is God breathed as God moves men working in them to perform His good pleasure.

Using the word apostolical in respect to time or anything like special authority is where weirdness comes in. Its like the charismatics . fulness of grace oral tradition do something get filled. self edify one self.

The first apostle "sent one" sent with the gospel called prophesying was Abel .The word apostle simply mean sent one.

God sent a donkey with His words .He stopped the madness of a false apostle brining false prophecy . God is not served by human hands.

Jesus called the books of Moses "law", but He did not call the books of Isaiah and Daniel "law". Using "law" generically just causes confusion. The Psalms are not "law" nor are the Proverbs. Prophecy is not law. History is not law. Epistles are not law, nor are they prophecy.

When you use specific terms in a general or comprehensive sense, your contributions become harder to understand.

 

[presidente]

Using the word apostolical in respect to time or anything like special authority is where weirdness comes in.

The first apostle "sent one" sent with the gospel called prophesying was Abel .The word apostle simply mean sent one.

I do not believe I have ever written 'apostolical' in my life until now. Describing the revelation of Paul or the other apostles as apostolic revelation is just using the English language.

God sent a donkey with His words .He stopped the madness of a false apostle brining false prophecy . God is not served by human hands.

God enabled the donkey to speak. The passage does not say the donkey prophesied. Read what the donkey said. What does your human hands comment have to do with the rest of your post?

 

[notuptome]

Fallacy: poisoning the well.

Your opinion so what? Other than unkind where is it's value?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

you're just wrong that all.

Your opinion so what?

the problem is you think you have the absolute truth and no one else could possibly know it. You think you are some kind of elite teacher with greater understanding than anyone else. You have admitted in the past that you have never been corrected in the Word of God. You are very prideful. I will pray for you.

The scriptures are the absolute truth. It is not that you cannot know them it is just that you will not know them.

You will pray just like Pelosi prays for Trump. I'm impressed or not.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Lol.
You guys made that up.

Jesus gave the power.

In your mind .you think the bible removed the power.

You guys simply made that up.

You changed the holy bible,the word of God.

Yep, your doctrine is against Christ. It is against the very Word of God.

What a awful pit.

The power is in the word. The Holy Spirit has revealed this truth in the hearts which are His abode.

Pssssst, if Jesus was slain from the froundation of the world,when was the bible written?

You guys completely missed the target.

You walked up,to the barn,you and your teachers to shoot the side of the barn.

From 2 feet away you blasted both barrels....

....and missed

Idle talk.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Wow

What a legacy.

To think some humanoid with a changed bible could rob Jesus and his church.

That is truly some impossible far fetched desire.

To not only be fooled by it,but to actually kick against the word of God to mock it and those hungry enough to belive what Jesus's book REALLY SAYS.

Idle words.

HEY, Jesus lost all his power when the bible was published!!!
Wow,now thats a great gospel!!!

Lets start a powerless church
Yes and train preachers to make sure Jesus stays at bay!!

Now Jesus,you sit here on the curb and if we ever decide ,we may let you into our "church"

Who thought of that baloney?

Thank God I got saved during the charismatic movement. What a feast!!!

Farcical nonsense. You do credit to the movement.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

Your opinion so what? Other than unkind where is it's value?

It is neither opinion nor unkind. The link explains the fallacy that you employed.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/140/Poisoning-the-Well

 

[notuptome]

It is neither opinion nor unkind. The link explains the fallacy that you employed.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/140/Poisoning-the-Well

Still your opinion nor does it invalidate my assertions.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Absolutely]

Still your opinion nor does it invalidate my assertions.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Your remedy is not in your teachers.
You have been duped.

Jesus left us the gifts and the power

But like you guys say "knowledge has ceased"......for your camp

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge
Yes Lord,may your word forever destroy ignorance

 

[Absolutely]

Imagine a sect of christendom that believes knowledge ceased when the king james bible was published.

 

[Dino246]

Imagine a sect of christendom that believes knowledge ceased when the king james bible was published.

Sadly, we don't need to imagine it.

 

[Blain]

I used to be active on Christianforums, but they put up a new set of rules a while back. I did not agree and so I was inactive, maybe because I did not want to read a long page of rules at the time.

I thought about signing up again, and I came across this in the rules. I found this objectionable, "Personal Prophecy (prophetic utterance) will be considered off-topic to all site forums."

I Corinthians 14 says '...covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in tongues.' Prophesying is emphasized here over speaking in tongues, so it stands to reason that if we are to covet it, we are not to forbid it. Earlier of church meetings, he commanded, passing on what he emphatically stated were the commandments of the Lord, "Let the prophets speak... and 'For ye may all prophesy....' Paul commanded the Thessalonians 'Despise not prophesyings...'

My understanding is that prophesying generally involves speaking as moved/carried-along by the Holy Ghost as Peter described Old Testament prophecy. It could be other forms of communication as well like singing, even the use of musical instruments. Typically Old Testament prophets prophesied in the first person and sometimes preceded their quotes from God with 'Thus saith the Lord'. But Peter called David a prophet and not all of his prophetic Psalms follow this format. John even said Caiaphas prophesied when he said that one Man should die for the people. Caiaphas probably did not even know that he was prophesying.

If it is possible to prophesy-- to speak under the moving of the Spirit-- without even knowing it, why would one agree never to give prophetic utterance? The rule said personal prophesy, but many posts on the forum there are personal advice to an OP. So if the Spirit moves an individual to type out a piece of advice, it is forbidden to do so, but advice from one's own mind is allowed?

And what about those in the Reformed movement who define prophesying to be faithful preaching and teaching of the scriptures. If a pastor who posts faithfully uses the scriptures to instruct an individual with a bit of personal information, couldn't they consider that 'prophesying.' I see a distinction between prophesying and teaching in scripture, but if one sees this as prophesying, why would he agree to such a rule?

I wanted to send someone from ChristianForums a little note explaining that I would not agree to their terms for the reasons stated above, but I could not reach anyone without agreeing to the terms. So I thought I would vent a bit here since the topic might make a good topic for discussion.

Do denominations, pastors, or churches have the authority to override the 'commandments of the Lord' in I Corinthians 14 that permit prophesying? Should a Christian discussion board attempt to forbid individuals from speaking as moved by the Holy Spirit?

I recall joining a site with rules like that there are several actually. Personally I think forbidding prophesying is not the correct move after all not only does the bible encourage it but even clearly says not to forbid it. I do think however that there does need to be a structure in which people who prophesy can be taught and gain learning about it because it is not a simple matter and many times can be misunderstood and misused.

For instance when one hears the term to prophsize many assume it is to speak a prediction or word from God but this actually is a much more rare case of prophecy and it is also important to know that there is not one kind of prophet or prophecy. The gift of prophecy coincides with dreams visions and prophetic words this is common knowledge however there are branches of these gifts used differently by God with each person. And it is also vitial as well to know that one can have the prophetic gift but that doesnt always make one a prophet but at some point in time God uses all of in this gift and often times we don't even know it.

Words have powerand while a prophet is known for visions dream and prophetic uttering what they are lesser known for is the way God uses them to speak to others hearts. Like I said you can have the gift of prophecy and not be a prophet and this is one way in which this is true, when the words you speak impact the hearts of others this is God using words through you, when you lift a person up with encouragement or you stir a fire in someone with what you speak you are with9out knowing it prophesying because to prophecy isn't only about future events or dreams or visions it is also speaking from the spirit uttering what God has placed in your heart to speak.

Our words have more power than we realize it is like a small pebble falling into a small pond creating ripples in the water and often times we never see or know exactly how far those ripples affect others. For all you know you might have stirred a persons soul just five minutes ago with a post you made that you never would think meant much yet it did for the person who read it.

I don't call myself a prophet but I do walk in the prophetic realm I have had many dreams visions and spiritual encounters but all of that doesn't compare to how I have seen God use the things he leads me to speak on here. For me there is no greater joy than to see him place things on my heart to say and watch him make the fireworks. When a person is deeply moved inspired strengthened or touched by the things spoken on my heart I always am almost brought to tears by the way God did that and all I want to do as a CHristian is exactly that.

Of course this is merely my own perspective and experience so one with wisdom knows to take it with a grain of salt but still there is truth to it. I don't think we should bann prophesying but I do think we need to have a good grasp and understanding of what it is and means to prophecy b efore we do because if we try and don't do it as the spirit leads or try it as we think it is supposed to be like all the people we see on youtube we can do much more damage than we realize even with good intentions