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Take your own advice. If you can't sort out your attitude, you need to stop responding. Yelling at me like a five-year-old would isn't going to get you what you want. As for your slander, it's pathetic. You know nothing about me, and your assumptions and accusations are laughably off the mark. Clean up your attitude and start acting like the Christian you claim to be.
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I did not slander you, that is the word people use to get sympathy. About being a Christian, I do not call myself a Christian, I am a believer and a follower of Yeshua. Everyone calls themselves Christians. By the way, it is okay to disagree with a view and it is important to weigh a view fairly, but many are too stuck on what they want to believe that they will not weigh another person's view fairly. I learned to weigh views because I could be wrong in my position on a topic.

Question, was it wrong for me to tell garee that he made a blasphemous statement by saying that Yeshua's flesh was corrupted? If he did not mean it that way then he needs to clear it and he appears to be using John 6:63 to conclude that ignominious statement. To my recollection one more person disagree with him as well, why others are not correcting that false statement of his?

A while back, using the Scriptures I refuted a statement made by a Hebrew root movement teacher, many of his followers came out to defend him, I called them junk yard dogs because that is what they do come out and defend their masters. One of the guys could not sleep that night, he contacted me to apologize and I told him there is no need to apologize, I just put everything on the table and get attack. To make a long story short, we became good friends and I learned much from him as well. Do you know why he thanked me? Because as a believer he was leaning toward their doctrines. We now skype about 3 times a week and next year I will be visiting him and his family who I got to know via skype.

Look dino, we can do this... let's forget the past, let's start fresh, I would shake your hands, but I am 5000 miles away though I am American and born American. It is up to you. By the way, I do not know how old you are, but most likely I am older.
 

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You have a weird understanding of "slander".


Disagreement doesn't require you to make personal comments about other people. Focus on the issues.


Many people, including me, have addressed Garee's ideas about corruption in other threads. Most people don't even bother reading his posts.
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I will not comment in what you said, I just sent you another post, but I will say this, I read everyone's post it is not fair to the person who posted it, it is how people get corrected through the Scriptures. If he does not want to correct his statement he will have to answer to God, he has been told.
 

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SDS what are your views on the Sabbath since this is a Sabbath thread?
 

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SDS what are your views on the Sabbath since this is a Sabbath thread?
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Put your view on the table and I will do the same and we can have a respectful conversation without name calling. If neither one of us can respond to a question let's be clear about it instead of calling names like many do, this is how the Spirit of God will enlighten our minds to the truth of God's word, what he made clear when he first spoke.
 

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Put your view on the table and I will do the same and we can have a respectful conversation without name calling. If neither one of us can respond to a question let's be clear about it instead of calling names like many do, this is how the Spirit of God will enlighten our minds to the truth of God's word, what he made clear when he first spoke.
Confused as to what you mean by name calling? I feel as though I have been honest and respectful with my answers to you. I have not read all of your responses on this thread came in a little later and picked up the conversation and you have been talking about so many other things that I truly just wanted to know if you are a for or against the Sabbath?

My parents really didn't go to church but I had an Aunt who took me to a Seventh-Day-Adventist church with her three kids when I was little so I tend to lean toward Sabbath observance.

So my honest question without name calling is are you one who leans toward observance or not? Just curious on your stance.
 

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Confused as to what you mean by name calling? I feel as though I have been honest and respectful with my answers to you. I have not read all of your responses on this thread came in a little later and picked up the conversation and you have been talking about so many other things that I truly just wanted to know if you are a for or against the Sabbath?

My parents really didn't go to church but I had an Aunt who took me to a Seventh-Day-Adventist church with her three kids when I was little so I tend to lean toward Sabbath observance.

So my honest question without name calling is are you one who leans toward observance or not? Just curious on your stance.
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I am not saying you, but just make sure there is not name calling because when people cannot respond and you call it out they immediately attacked. I do see you are sincere in the way you just wrote me.

I will be careful with the 7th day adventist doctrine they do have teaching that are not Scriptural, but as for the Sabbath day, I believe it should be kept and though I will put my position on the table, I will not make a judgment towards them. I believe when one puts in on the table the Spirit of God will enlighten them with the truth of God's word, what God made clear when he first spoke. If you send me your email I will send you something I wrote on the Sabbath.

Question, are you an adventist? Are your parents still alive and if so, do they attend church, but remember, you can get together with a small group as long as there is order and one to lead to learn the word of God.
 

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Confused as to what you mean by name calling? I feel as though I have been honest and respectful with my answers to you. I have not read all of your responses on this thread came in a little later and picked up the conversation and you have been talking about so many other things that I truly just wanted to know if you are a for or against the Sabbath?

My parents really didn't go to church but I had an Aunt who took me to a Seventh-Day-Adventist church with her three kids when I was little so I tend to lean toward Sabbath observance.

So my honest question without name calling is are you one who leans toward observance or not? Just curious on your stance.
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According to the Scriptures there were 3 things that God said concerning the Sabbath... 1) Remember the Sabbath, 2) Keep it holy, 3) The 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD. Yeshua was able to say that he was the Lord of the Sabbath because he understood that the Sabbath was of the LORD, and I believe that he was identifying who he was in relationship to Exodus 20. Another thing, the focus is on the specific day that God stated, the 7th day and that is the day that he wants us to rest and keep it holy unto him.

Nowhere in the Scriptures does it say or insinuate that he done away with the Sabbath, neither does it say that it was changed to Sunday and if it does where? All we know that after Yeshua ascended to heaven the Sabbath continued to be held among the believers and one cannot escape this Scriptural truth.

Let me make this clear, the Sabbath has nothing to do with Salvation, but all to do with being obedient unto God. So if you keep the Sabbath, it is a good thing, but remember that is has to do with being obedient unto God and has nothing to do with Salvation.

One more thing, the Ten Commandment cannot be complete without the Sabbath, so if one removes the Sabbath from their life, one
must remove the other nine.
 

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Put your view on the table and I will do the same and we can have a respectful conversation without name calling. If neither one of us can respond to a question let's be clear about it instead of calling names like many do, this is how the Spirit of God will enlighten our minds to the truth of God's word, what he made clear when he first spoke.
In what way exactly did this member resorted to name calling on this thread?
 

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Look dino, we can do this... let's forget the past, let's start fresh, I would shake your hands, but I am 5000 miles away though I am American and born American. It is up to you. By the way, I do not know how old you are, but most likely I am older.
You make inappropriate assumptions about me, say publicly that I have narcissistic personality disorder, yell at me repeatedly, insult my intelligence, and then just want to "forget the past" and "start fresh"?

Um, no. That's not how it works with God, and that's not how it works with me.
 

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One more thing, the Ten Commandment cannot be complete without the Sabbath, so if one removes the Sabbath from their life, one must remove the other nine.
Where is that in Scripture?
 

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You make inappropriate assumptions about me, say publicly that I have narcissistic personality disorder, yell at me repeatedly, insult my intelligence, and then just want to "forget the past" and "start fresh"?

Um, no. That's not how it works with God, and that's not how it works with me.
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Apparently, I gave the opportunity so we can put an end you say no. I will put it this way, be careful the way you respond to me because I will call it as i see it.
 

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Where is that in Scripture?
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You know there is not Scripture of what I stated, so why did you ask? But read Exodus 20 and you will see that it part of the Ten Commandments, if you accept one you have to accept all, just like if you break one you break all.

I have a question to ask you... Are the Ten Commandment done away with, a simple Yes or No? If you say No, then I will ask if any one any of the Ten Commandment done away with, if yes, which one and why?
 

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Apparently, I gave the opportunity so we can put an end you say no.
You are trying to avoid owning and dealing with your wrongdoing. I won't justify such folly.
 

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You are trying to avoid owning and dealing with your wrongdoing. I won't justify such folly.
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I knew all along that you were going say something relating to what you stated to avoid being put in a position that you could not truly answer. It is no a wrongdoing for me to tell you GROW UP and from this day on, anytime you respond I will reply GROW UP.
 

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According to the Scriptures there were 3 things that God said concerning the Sabbath... 1) Remember the Sabbath, 2) Keep it holy, 3) The 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD. Yeshua was able to say that he was the Lord of the Sabbath because he understood that the Sabbath was of the LORD, and I believe that he was identifying who he was in relationship to Exodus 20. Another thing, the focus is on the specific day that God stated, the 7th day and that is the day that he wants us to rest and keep it holy unto him.

Nowhere in the Scriptures does it say or insinuate that he done away with the Sabbath, neither does it say that it was changed to Sunday and if it does where? All we know that after Yeshua ascended to heaven the Sabbath continued to be held among the believers and one cannot escape this Scriptural truth.

Let me make this clear, the Sabbath has nothing to do with Salvation, but all to do with being obedient unto God. So if you keep the Sabbath, it is a good thing, but remember that is has to do with being obedient unto God and has nothing to do with Salvation.

One more thing, the Ten Commandment cannot be complete without the Sabbath, so if one removes the Sabbath from their life, one
must remove the other nine.
Well as far as the Sabbath goes we are on the same page. Just to add I do believe that God blesses those who take time to worship on the day He set aside for us. There will be many people saved from all nations and different belief systems as God knows His sheep and they hear His voice. Only two groups of people in the end saved and unsaved. I pray we are all in the saved group.
 

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I just have to add that before I joined CC I had never even heard of the idea or belief that Christians thought that the 10 Commandments were obsolete... I was shocked as I know the 10 don't save us but they are still valid and show us what sin is so I don't understand how some can believe they are obsolete it actually boggles my mind....

But there are many loving Christians on this site that maybe we don't always see eye to eye but I still consider them my brothers and sisters. I usually will state my belief and then others can take it or toss it as they want. My personal main goal is to become more and more like Jesus and try and help where I can and not to be judgmental about it as that is not my place but God's job to do. He asked me to love Him first and foremost and then love my neighbor. I try....sometimes not so successfully..... That's were I need to let Jesus take over.
 

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You know there is not Scripture of what I stated, so why did you ask? But read Exodus 20 and you will see that it part of the Ten Commandments, if you accept one you have to accept all, just like if you break one you break all.

I have a question to ask you... Are the Ten Commandment done away with, a simple Yes or No? If you say No, then I will ask if any one any of the Ten Commandment done away with, if yes, which one and why?
Its not a simple yes or no answer.

If you think they are not done away then you are still under them. And all the laws that go with them.

If you think you are not under them in Christ, then they are effectively done away and you are under none of them.


One is a carnal understanding.

The other is a spiritual understanding.

Hebrews 7:15-18
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.




If Christ is our Righteousness why would we continue to work at a carnal understanding of the 10 commandments? Because that's what our fathers did and their fathers before them?

Acts 15:10-11
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
 

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Well as far as the Sabbath goes we are on the same page. Just to add I do believe that God blesses those who take time to worship on the day He set aside for us. There will be many people saved from all nations and different belief systems as God knows His sheep and they hear His voice. Only two groups of people in the end saved and unsaved. I pray we are all in the saved group.
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I understand what you are saying and yes, many will be saved from all nations, but to say that even in a different belief systems would be saved I have to disagree. I do if one is going to be saved from a false religion, God will remove him from socializing with them.
 

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I understand what you are saying and yes, many will be saved from all nations, but to say that even in a different belief systems would be saved I have to disagree. I do if one is going to be saved from a false religion, God will remove him from socializing with them.
How does one determine a false religion? Unless it is just flat out devil worship?
 

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I just have to add that before I joined CC I had never even heard of the idea or belief that Christians thought that the 10 Commandments were obsolete... I was shocked as I know the 10 don't save us but they are still valid and show us what sin is so I don't understand how some can believe they are obsolete it actually boggles my mind....

But there are many loving Christians on this site that maybe we don't always see eye to eye but I still consider them my brothers and sisters. I usually will state my belief and then others can take it or toss it as they want. My personal main goal is to become more and more like Jesus and try and help where I can and not to be judgmental about it as that is not my place but God's job to do. He asked me to love Him first and foremost and then love my neighbor. I try....sometimes not so successfully..... That's were I need to let Jesus take over.
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