John 3:16-18 is not about God's universal love (there is no such thing).
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where did i, being dead, get an ear that hears, a mind that understands, and an heart that trusts?
is it fair or accurate to say that a man has two possible states: dead/alive?
and that - speaking not of man as tho flesh - these can be described as so:
is it fair or accurate to say that a man has two possible states: dead/alive?
and that - speaking not of man as tho flesh - these can be described as so:
- state of unbelief
- = dead
- state of belief
- = live
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that would be post-destination, not pre-destination.
you are describing God determining destiny after the fact. the word "predestination" is pretty clearly describing determining destiny before the fact. it's what the prefix "pre-" means.
"don't forget the scripture that comes before this"
you are describing God determining destiny after the fact. the word "predestination" is pretty clearly describing determining destiny before the fact. it's what the prefix "pre-" means.
"don't forget the scripture that comes before this"
He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love
(Ephesians 1:4)
chosen before not afterwards - chosen by Him, not by us.having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will
(Ephesians 1:5)
predestined to adoption per the pleasure of His will. not appointed after-the-fact according to our will. -
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Nope, one is not at the destination. One is saved and in Christ, but their final destination is the future adoption. Now that I’m in Christ, my destination is set, pre or before I get there.
If an airplane is headed to New York and I get on that plane, me destination is set even though I have not arrived there.
If an airplane is headed to New York and I get on that plane, me destination is set even though I have not arrived there.
the destination is Christ.
how you gonna say i have received a spirit crying "Abba" and i don't even have a Father yet, but maybe one day?
i think you may have to "add a lot of words"
how you gonna say i have received a spirit crying "Abba" and i don't even have a Father yet, but maybe one day?
i think you may have to "add a lot of words"
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear,
but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
(Romans 8:15)
but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
(Romans 8:15)
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the destination is Christ.
how you gonna say i have received a spirit crying "Abba" and i don't even have a Father yet, but maybe one day?
i think you may have to "add a lot of words"
how you gonna say i have received a spirit crying "Abba" and i don't even have a Father yet, but maybe one day?
i think you may have to "add a lot of words"
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear,
but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
(Romans 8:15)
What’s next? Comparing it to a magic carpet ride?
#Steppenwolf
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I’ve seen it all now. Comparing salvation to boarding a plane.
What’s next? Comparing it to a magic carpet ride?
#Steppenwolf
What’s next? Comparing it to a magic carpet ride?
#Steppenwolf
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No, the destination is the adoption which is the redemption of the body. Paul’s talking to those already in Christ. The adoption is so certain that we can be called a son of God right now.
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
the destination is Christ.
how you gonna say i have received a spirit crying "Abba" and i don't even have a Father yet, but maybe one day?
i think you may have to "add a lot of words"
how you gonna say i have received a spirit crying "Abba" and i don't even have a Father yet, but maybe one day?
i think you may have to "add a lot of words"
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear,
but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
(Romans 8:15)
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
the destination is Christ.
how you gonna say i have received a spirit crying "Abba" and i don't even have a Father yet, but maybe one day?
i think you may have to "add a lot of words"
how you gonna say i have received a spirit crying "Abba" and i don't even have a Father yet, but maybe one day?
i think you may have to "add a lot of words"
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear,
but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
(Romans 8:15)
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Elect for what? Most Christians who come to Christ after being converted from what ever we believed or didn't before, believe we have the duty, honor and blessing to spread the love, hope and joy of salvation. To those who are like we used to be. Satan is the accuser and the judgement is up to God, not us. The word will be spread to every nation in every tongue. The Lord certainly knew who would chose his way or the highway to perdition from before the foundations of the earth as we know it now. But we can't be stingy with the gifts like salvation and love or else we will be like the Pharisees and Sadducees or we might get locked out of the new kingdom when it arrives too. And we too will be sad you see. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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i am not a calvinist.
i am not a pelagian.
those He predestined, He also called. Romans 8:30
that's what scripture says, and i'm not going to try to twist it to horn in my supposed sovereign agency.
He chose me, by His will, in Christ, before the world was founded. not after-the-fact, not by my will or effort or cleverness.
i am not a pelagian.
those He predestined, He also called. Romans 8:30
that's what scripture says, and i'm not going to try to twist it to horn in my supposed sovereign agency.
He chose me, by His will, in Christ, before the world was founded. not after-the-fact, not by my will or effort or cleverness.
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I just looked it up. Thanks, Me neither. Some, (not you @posthuman) seem to be stuck in a similar us verses them mentality that is tearing this nation apart politically. However many seem to forget that before we came to believe, most if not all of uswere one of them.
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