Prophesying Forbidden

[presidente]

As I said chapter 11 through 14 are unit chapters and are contextually one. With all the thing addressed by Paul in chapter 11, 12, 13 and 14 how much of it was hypothetical over conditional? I would argue the present condition of the church in Corinth was not at all Hypothetical but literal. In Chapter 14 where is is said 1cor 14:6

"If': But now, brethren, "if "I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?

This could be hypothetical but from the context given by the unit chapters from 11 to 14 nothing appears to be so. It is more applicable in my understand that there were those who were speaking in tongues inappropriately than not. so the grammatical term must be applied to be conditional from what has already been given. "IF" is not contextually used as a hypothetical in this context in this passage or supported by the previous unit chapters.

I do not see hypothetical and 'conditional' as distinct categories. I would call 'if' a conditional, and I think of 'hypothetical' as a semantic category.

That being said, it is not clear to me that an unbeliever would attend one of their gatherings. I think they were speaking in tongues either en masse or in turn without interpretation. That might have stopped after the letter was read.

 

[presidente]

You stated, "Signs are for those who rebel". That is NOT true according to the Scriptures. Don't sidestep the issue at hand.

It applies in some cases but not in others.

 

[garee]

You stated, "Signs are for those who rebel". That is NOT true according to the Scriptures. Don't sidestep the issue at hand.

Tongues as prophecy is a sign against those who believe not prophecy .

Its the sign of a evil generation. Do a miracle then we will believe. The last sign as a wonder is the sign of Jonas "the rebel" who refused to prophesy . God moved that rebel to bring prophecy just as he moved Balaam's Ass.

God is not served by things seen rather than the supernatural .

Believers walk by faith as it is written, the eternal understanding . Not after the temporal things seen.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

 

[Dino246]

Tongues as prophecy is a sign against those who believe not prophecy .

Its the sign of a evil generation. Do a miracle then we will believe. The last sign as a wonder is the sign of Jonas "the rebel" who refused to prophesy . God moved that rebel to bring prophecy just as he moved Balaam's Ass.

God is not served by things seen rather than the supernatural .

Believers walk by faith as it is written, the eternal understanding . Not after the temporal things seen.

Was the rainbow for those who rebel?

Yes, or no?

It's a simple question.

 

[presidente]

Tongues as prophecy is a sign against those who believe not prophecy .

If you went into a church and heard speaking in tongues, would you react to it with faith or unbelief?

Its the sign of a evil generation. Do a miracle then we will believe. The last sign as a wonder is the sign of Jonas "the rebel" who refused to prophesy . God moved that rebel to bring prophecy just as he moved Balaam's Ass.

Jesus gave signs to His disciples, too. If a wicked generation seeks a sign, that doesn't mean the righteous can't seek them in some cases and still be righteous.

The wicked drink water. The righteous drink water. The wicked and adulterous people Jesus fed asked for a sign. The apostles asked God to do signs and wonders in Acts 4.

The people Jesus rebuked when they asked for a sign were probably asking for a sign along the lines of testing a prophet, specifically testing to see if Jesus was the prophet like unto Moses. If a sign did not take place, then they could reject the prophet. Given their sinful state, Jesus rebuked them, but He did give them a sign that related to His resurrection.

God is not served by things seen rather than the supernatural .

You should not make up stuff like this that you think sounds profound that is not in the Bible. We can be seen, and God can be served by us.

 

[Butterflyyy]

Tongues as prophecy is a sign against those who believe not prophecy .

Its the sign of a evil generation. Do a miracle then we will believe. The last sign as a wonder is the sign of Jonas "the rebel" who refused to prophesy . God moved that rebel to bring prophecy just as he moved Balaam's Ass.

God is not served by things seen rather than the supernatural .

Believers walk by faith as it is written, the eternal understanding . Not after the temporal things seen.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

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[garee]

If you went into a church and heard speaking in tongues, would you react to it with faith or unbelief?



Jesus gave signs to His disciples, too. If a wicked generation seeks a sign, that doesn't mean the righteous can't seek them in some cases and still be righteous.

The wicked drink water. The righteous drink water. The wicked and adulterous people Jesus fed asked for a sign. The apostles asked God to do signs and wonders in Acts 4.

The people Jesus rebuked when they asked for a sign were probably asking for a sign along the lines of testing a prophet, specifically testing to see if Jesus was the prophet like unto Moses. If a sign did not take place, then they could reject the prophet. Given their sinful state, Jesus rebuked them, but He did give them a sign that related to His resurrection.



You should not make up stuff like this that you think sounds profound that is not in the Bible. We can be seen, and God can be served by us.

God word is profound .He is not served by human hands .He can bring a unclean animal like a Ass used to represent unbelief and put his words in its mouth that can serve his purpose of stopping the madness of a false prophet.(Balaam) And neither does he dwell in temples made with human hands. We can plant the incorruptible seed and water it with the doctrines of God. But he alone causes new life and growth if any

The law is clear. God mocking those( unbelievers) who mock prophecy by brining prophecy of all the nations of the world just as he promised he would . A sign of Joel . Men, woman prophets from all the nations of the world. Just look around the gospel is doing it work.

God is not longer bring any new prophecy after any manner to include tongues, the language of the gospel

.If today people from different nations get together to share the book of prophecy.(Bible) now that the perfect or complete has come

They can buy literature to help them understand the different tongues of the nations . They even make a electronic one that does the work.

Tongues is prophecy. . . declaring the will of God.

If you mean tongues according to sounds without meaning or meaning that other say the sounds are making .Its a whole other subject .There are no outward sign we can perform that confirms God has spoken .Faith comes by hearing God not hearing noise.. .or falling backward called slain in the spirit which is usually associated with the idea making sounds without meaning. .

Its the kind of stuff people make up for self edification like patting them selves on the back.. good job self.

Making a noise does not equal I have external life or a person is on the right road. No such thing as a sign gift.

Spiritual gifts not seen yes.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

 

[garee]

Was the rainbow for those who rebel?

Yes, or no?

It's a simple question.

Is the rainbow a sign you could perform?

The rainbow was a sign to the whole word .Some that rebel other affirming the revealed meaning .

Or as prophecy that followed the flood?

it was not a sign before . In that parable it speaks that God will never destroy the whole world with a flood.

What kind of meaning is attached to a made a noise without a understanding? What does it confirm? Or falling back slain in the spirit?

It applies to any of the supposed outward confirming signs. natural man as a evil generation seek after a sign .they reject the one source of Christ's faith prophecy. The alternative religion. Look and believe.

 

[Butterflyyy]

God word is profound .He is not served by human hands .He can bring a unclean animal like a Ass used to represent unbelief and put his words in its mouth that can serve his purpose of stopping the madness of a false prophet.(Balaam) And neither does he dwell in temples made with human hands. We can plant the incorruptible seed and water it with the doctrines of God. But he alone causes new life and growth if any

The law is clear. God mocking those( unbelievers) who mock prophecy by brining prophecy of all the nations of the world just as he promised he would . A sign of Joel . Men, woman prophets from all the nations of the world. Just look around the gospel is doing it work.

God is not longer bring any new prophecy after any manner to include tongues, the language of the gospel

.If today people from different nations get together to share the book of prophecy.(Bible) now that the perfect or complete has come

They can buy literature to help them understand the different tongues of the nations . They even make a electronic one that does the work.

Tongues is prophecy. . . declaring the will of God.

If you mean tongues according to sounds without meaning or meaning that other say the sounds are making .Its a whole other subject .There are no outward sign we can perform that confirms God has spoken .Faith comes by hearing God not hearing noise.. .or falling backward called slain in the spirit which is usually associated with the idea making sounds without meaning. .

Its the kind of stuff people make up for self edification like patting them selves on the back.. good job self.

Making a noise does not equal I have external life or a person is on the right road. No such thing as a sign gift.

Spiritual gifts not seen yes.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

If I speak with tongues of men and angels....

I don't see, 'slain in the spirit' anywhere in scripture...

I also don't see anywhere in the Word where it says the gifts of tongues and prophecy have ceased. Rather I see instruction about the correct usage of them.

There are so many errors you have said according to scripture that the thought of answering you thoroughly is overwhelming...😞

 

[garee]

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[garee]

If I speak with tongues of men and angels....

I don't see, 'slain in the spirit' anywhere in scripture...

I also don't see anywhere in the Word where it says the gifts of tongues and prophecy have ceased. Rather I see instruction about the correct usage of them.

There are so many errors you have said according to scripture that the thought of answering you thoroughly is overwhelming...😞

New prophecy, or has tongues as prophecy ceased along with new knowledge that could come with new prophecy.

The last book in the book of prophecy is still Revelation. Ending with a great warning to not add or subtract. It is sealed with the 7 seals it is sealed with as that needed to protect the integrity of the word from men widening its authority with false prophecy. Its how we try the spirits to see if they are of God or man.

Any person that says I had a dream a vision an out of the body experience, a direct voice. . . we are to believe not..

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 1 Corinthians 14:9-11

Is there a law missing by which we could know him more adequately? We I believe would continue to walk by faith having not received the promise of our new incorruptible bodies. It will confirm whether or not a person has ben born from above. (no sign gifts)

Overwhelming or you have a different way of looking at the law as to the foundation of the doctrine which is found in Isaiah 28 .It show why God mocked those who mocked him.

 

[presidente]

God word is profound .He is not served by human hands .He can bring a unclean animal like a Ass used to represent unbelief and put his words in its mouth that can serve his purpose of stopping the madness of a false prophet.(Balaam)

What did the donkey do wrong in that passage? Why would the donkey represent unbelief when Balaam was the wrong attitude?

The law is clear. God mocking those( unbelievers) who mock prophecy by brining prophecy of all the nations of the world just as he promised he would .

We probably have this conversation twice a year. It seems like very time, you spell 'bringing' as 'brining.' I wonder if you are just doing cut and paste and that is why you never see to learn much or get less entrenched in your theories even when shown they contradict scripture, and why your posts read like a broken record some times. If you don't think about them and just cut and paste, it's harder to learn from other posters.

A sign of Joel . Men, woman prophets from all the nations of the world. Just look around the gospel is doing it work.

Okay, maybe this is a change. So now you believe there are prophets from all nations of the world?

God is not longer bring any new prophecy after any manner to include tongues, the language of the gospel

.If today people from different nations get together to share the book of prophecy.(Bible) now that the perfect or complete has come

Paul wrote in i Corinthians 'so that ye come behind in no spiritual gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.' Chapter 13 leads up to Paul's arguments about the resurrection at the return of Christ. When the perfect Paul writes about in this passage comes, Paul's speech, knowledge, and understanding when he wrote that scripture will be like a child's in comparison to his speech, knowledge, and understanding after it comes. That does not describe the Bible. It might describe the state of the believer in the resurrection because, as John would later write, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Its the kind of stuff people make up for self edification like patting them selves on the back.. good job self.

Paul said he that speaks in tongues edifies himself. Then he wrote I would that ye all spake with tongues. Paul was okay with self edification. But he preferred edifying others through prophesying, teaching, sharing revelations, etc.--or at least in the assembly he did.

 

[Dino246]

Is the rainbow a sign you could perform?

The rainbow was a sign to the whole word .Some that rebel other affirming the revealed meaning .

Or as prophecy that followed the flood?

it was not a sign before . In that parable it speaks that God will never destroy the whole world with a flood.

It's not a parable.

You're still dancing around the question. Just answer it.

 

[CS1]

If I speak with tongues of men and angels....

I don't see, 'slain in the spirit' anywhere in scripture...

I also don't see anywhere in the Word where it says the gifts of tongues and prophecy have ceased. Rather I see instruction about the correct usage of them.

There are so many errors you have said according to scripture that the thought of answering you thoroughly is overwhelming...😞

slain in the Spirit is aterm used to describe what happens as one in the presence of God " they fell down as dead men "

we see that in the word of God. do people pass out in the presence of God today ? I would think they can and do . by fear or His Holiness .

 

[garee]

It's not a parable.

You're still dancing around the question. Just answer it.

I answered it completely. according to the law. Signs are for those who rebel. . . prophecy /tongues for those who believe. Just look to the foundation of the doctrine in Isaiah 28. And like David said; destroy the foundation of the doctrines of God. . what could those who have a imputed righteousness do without Sola scriptura, all thing written in the law and the prophets . (the two witness of faith.)

Why did God mocks those Jew that mocked him with stammering lips? Why did they refuse to hear prophecy? Was it offensive to them?

What's missing a sign that you agree?

Can you create a rainbow that reaches from the east to the west?

 

[Butterflyyy]

slain in the Spirit is aterm used to describe what happens as one in the presence of God " they fell down as dead men "

we see that in the word of God. do people pass out in the presence of God today ? I would think they can and do . by fear or His Holiness .

It is possible it is another spirit; we are told to test every spirit.
'Falling down as dead men' does not necessarily describe the same thing as 'being slain in the spirit.'
There is a lot of spiritually deceptive stuff going on in the church today-some of it is causing the same demonic manifestations as in Hinduism. ( There is footage on YouTube which proves this).

We are given warnings in scripture about such things, so that we are not deceived.
Thankfully there are also some Godly teachers given to us, who lay their lives down for God's flock, to warn and protect us. Jacob Prasch ( Moriel Ministries) is one such teacher. Bill Randles is another.

I hope this is a blessing to you🙂

 

[garee]

What did the donkey do wrong in that passage? Why would the donkey represent unbelief when Balaam was the wrong attitude?

To teach us how we can hear and then walk by faith the unseen eternal.

The donkey is used in ceremonial law to represent un-belief in mankind no faith as that which alone comes from hearing as it is written. . natural unconverted mankind. Its another parable used to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow.

A lamb must be sacrificed to indicate redemption .If not the neck is to be broken .

God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form as if the kingdom did come observing what the eyes see rather than walking by faith after the unseen eternal . You could say with the parable of the Donkey . . unbelief (the donkey), bringing the word of God it stopped unbelief the false prophet Balaam..

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

Its like the many after the man in Mathew 7 who bragged he prophesied and cast out demons and performed good works . Jesus did not deny the works were not performed . But rather said "I never knew you. . depart from me you worker of iniquity as if he was served with human hands. He knows the men who hands and lips he moves to bring his non private interpretation .They did not move him by their own private witness as hands.

Something the unbelieving Jew did turning things upside as if they were inspired earthly after the temporal things seen and not heavenly after the unseen Holy place of the father.

2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV)We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were "moved" by the Holy Ghost.

The same with Jesus riding on a donkey, a donkey a sign of unbelief. Nothing attributed to what the eyes see,the temporal .

 

[garee]

It is possible it is another spirit; we are told to test every spirit.
'Falling down as dead men' does not necessarily describe the same thing as 'being slain in the spirit.'
There is a lot of spiritually deceptive stuff going on in the church today-some of it is causing the same demonic manifestations as in Hinduism. ( There is footage on YouTube which proves this).

We are given warnings in scripture about such things, so that we are not deceived.
Thankfully there are also some Godly teachers given to us, who lay their lives down for God's flock, to warn and protect us. Jacob Prasch ( Moriel Ministries) is one such teacher. Bill Randles is another.

I hope this is a blessing to you🙂

Yes, falling backward is a sign of unbelief. It accompanies those who mock God with their oral traditions of men .Men who want nothing to do with the integrity of scripture (all things written in the law and prophets ) or as it is written. In that law that governs the tongues doctrine. Isaiah 28 it is revisited in 1 Corinthian 14:22-23. as the must below

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: Isaiah 28:10

God with stammering or mocking lips that mock his prophecy. men falling back as a sign of unbelief against them

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. :11-14

Maybe they should look for another confirming sign needed to self edify self. Like falling forward. Falling back ward is already being used to identify those who have another authority other than all things written in the law and the prophets.

John 18:5-7 King James Version (KJV)They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

There are other examples that use the metaphor fall back to show those who mock God with the oral traditions of men .

 

[presidente]

To teach us how we can hear and then walk by faith the unseen eternal.

The donkey is used in ceremonial law to represent un-belief in mankind no faith as that which alone comes from hearing as it is written. . natural unconverted mankind. Its another parable used to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow.

A donkey rebuked Balaam. Jesus rode on a donkey. Where do you get this theory?

 

[Dino246]

The sign of the prophet Jonas, the gospel, the new tongue as it written

Tell me something, Garee...

If the gospel is the new tongue, why does the Holy Spirit give the gift of interpretation of tongues, and why are tongues often referred to in the plural rather than the singular?