The genealogies of Christ: “the son of David"
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Correct. We would have to deal with that as a separate issue. Perhaps you can start a thread on Coniah.
Huh thanks for the info I had no idea 1 cron 3 has some genealogy very interesting thanks for posting. as you pointed out some bibles use different names for the person, I think when I made my little gen comparison I used the NIV, I no longer use that bible that version has some major issues.
But it appears it used Uzziah for Ahaziah probably others name translations also.
Nehemiah, the answer is in the truth.
Now these were the sons of David, which were born unto him in Hebron; the firstborn Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; the second Daniel, of Abigail the Carmelitess: the third, Absalom the son of Maachah the daughter of Talmai king of Geshur: the fourth, Adonijah the son of Haggith: the fifth, Shephatiah of Abital: the sixth, Ithream by Eglah his wife. These six were born unto him in Hebron; and there he reigned seven years and six months: and in Jerusalem he reigned thirty and three years. And these were born unto him in Jerusalem; Shimea, and Shobab, and Nathan, and Solomon, four, of Bath-shua the daughter of Ammiel: Ibhar also, and Elishama, and Eliphelet, and Nogah, and Nepheg, and Japhia, and Elishama, and Eliada, and Eliphelet, nine. These were all the sons of David, beside the sons of the concubines, and Tamar their sister.
And Solomon’s son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son, Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son, Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son, Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son, Amon his son, Josiah his son. And the sons of Josiah were, the firstborn Johanan, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum. And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son.
And the sons of Jeconiah; Assir, Salathiel his son, Malchiram also, and Pedaiah, and Shenazar, Jecamiah, Hoshama, and Nedabiah. And the sons of Pedaiah were, Zerubbabel, and Shimei: and the sons of Zerubbabel; Meshullam, and Hananiah, and Shelomith their sister: and Hashubah, and Ohel, and Berechiah, and Hasadiah, Jushab-hesed, five. And the sons of Hananiah; Pelatiah, and Jesaiah: the sons of Rephaiah, the sons of Arnan, the sons of Obadiah, the sons of Shechaniah. And the sons of Shechaniah; Shemaiah: and the sons of Shemaiah; Hattush, and Igeal, and Bariah, and Neariah, and Shaphat, six. And the sons of Neariah; Elioenai, and Hezekiah, and Azrikam, three. And the sons of Elioenai were, Hodaiah, and Eliashib, and Pelaiah, and Akkub, and Johanan, and Dalaiah, and Anani, seven.
(1 Chronicles 3 AKJV)
of David -
- Solomon
- Rehoboam
- Abia
- Asa
- Jehosaphat
- Joram
- Ahaziah
- Joash
- Amaziah
- Azariah
- Jotham
- Ahaz
- Hezekiah
- Manasseh
- Amon
- Josiah
- Jehoiakim
- Jeconiah
yes there are some spelling differences. but 1 Chronicles 3 has
- Ahaziah
- Joash
- Amaziah
- Azariah
Interesting do most of the translations have it like that? do they all use a different name in their Matthew version
yes, i mean, the Greek says this. it's a list of names in both places; it's not really something subject to translation - except maybe spelling to turn it into English letters. turning 18 names into 14 is just math, regardless of how they're translated. Matthew makes 4 omissions to sum to 14 in his second 14.
it has to be on purpose.
there is another difference in that the Hebrew of 1 Chronicles 3 has the father of Zerubbabel is Pedaiah, but Matthew 1 has Zerubbabel's father being Shelatiel & 1 Chronicles 3 says Shelatiel is Pedaiah's son.
the LXX (Greek version of the OT that the Jews used around Christ's time) has Zerubbabel being Pediaiah being Zerubbabel's father. it is thought that this is evidence that the OT Matthew knew and used was the Greek, not the Hebrew version of scripture. some people believe Matthew was originally written in Hebrew, unlike all the rest of the NT, which is Greek - it raises questions about that hypothesis tho if Matthew is using the Greek Septuagint.
Yea it’s head scratcher, seems uzziah is mentioned once and Ahaziah seven times in the Bible, Uzziah was struck with leprosy for disobeying God. Upon looking into this I came across another name who was a king of Judah for a short time Pakah wasn’t a nice man at all he killed another to obtain the throne.
Interesting, what you got before I shoot my big mouth off ?
Of that hour and of that day no man knows except the Father, as we are taught.
Thebrew calandar from the beginning is computed by using the ages given of the people listed in genealogy., Genesis. As for those left out, their years were omittted for a reson. Perhaps the teaching above explains.
According to this calendar with certain people missing on purpose we are know to be at least at the year 5780. This being the case, and all being aware of the longevity of certain individuals who are already in Genesis, and being know 5780 years are certain, all I am able to say is Halleluyah! and Amen family… Come dear Jesus, Come.
Thebrew calandar from the beginning is computed by using the ages given of the people listed in genealogy., Genesis. As for those left out, their years were omittted for a reson. Perhaps the teaching above explains.
According to this calendar with certain people missing on purpose we are know to be at least at the year 5780. This being the case, and all being aware of the longevity of certain individuals who are already in Genesis, and being know 5780 years are certain, all I am able to say is Halleluyah! and Amen family… Come dear Jesus, Come.
It is quite evident that numbers have spiritual meaning in Scripture. Regarding the numbers 10 and 14, I will quote from others since they cover the significance of those number quite well:
“The number 10 is related to creation, restoration, and that which emanates from God and belongs to Him alone...
In the Bible, the number 10 is used 242 times. The designation "10th" is used 79 times. Ten is also viewed as a complete and perfect number, as is 3, 7 and 12. It is made up of 4, the number of the physical creation, and 6, the number of man. As such, 10 signifies testimony, law, responsibility and the completeness of order.
In Genesis 1 we find the phrase "God said" 10 times, which is a testimony of His creative power. God gave the 10 Commandments to man. Ten therefore represents man's responsibility to keep the commandments. A tithe is a 10th of our earnings and is a testimony of our faith in the Lord.
The Passover lamb was selected on day 10 of the 1st month (Exodus 12:3), as was Jesus, the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world (John 12:28 - 29; 1Corinthians 5:7). Day 10 of the 7th month is also the Holy Day known as the Day of Atonement. “
“The Number 14 The number 14 is double the number 7, which implies double spiritual perfection. -The 14th day of the first month is the Passover, marking the day when God delivered the firstborn of Israel from death, thus perfecting and completing their deliverance from slavery which is symbolic of sin. -The genealogy of Jesus Christ listed in Matthew chapter 1 is divided into three sets of 14 generations, indicating total perfection (Matthew 1:17). -On the 14th day of the first month in 30 A.D. Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God the Father, was crucified as the perfect sacrifice to save mankind from sin. Old Testament sacrifices were no longer necessary. The sacrifice for sin was complete...
Being a multiple of 7, 14 partakes of its importance and, being double that number, implies a double measure of spiritual perfection. The number two with which it is combined (2x7) may, however, bring its own significance into its meaning, as it does in Matthew 1, where the genealogy of Jesus Christ is divided up and given in sets of 14 (2x7) generations, two being associated with incarnation.
How is the number fourteen linked with Jesus' ancestors? There are three sets of 14 generations between (and including) Abraham to Joseph (husband of Mary).”
"double perfection" ?
regular perfection isn't good enough?
"total perfection" ?
double perfection isn't perfect enough either; we need 6*7 before we're totally perfect?
is there any rigor to this?