sabbath

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Thanks for that.

I see it a little differently as to how we are to keep, as to what we are to keep or guard closely with all our heart soul and mind.

I would understand the two commandments working together as one. Which is again mentioned in the new testaments the golden rule. love the Lord our God and ones neighbor as oneself . So that in obeying God he works it out in us so that we can love our neighbor by bringing the good news .

The gospel or what is called the "true fast" is two fold in that way. We share our physical bread and other human needs along with the spiritual the word of God , or called manna. The bread of new life.

The two listing (Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5) of the same sabbath commandment that pertain with rest they have different reasonings' are ceremonial shadows . One the seventh day the other the departure from Egypt using the Jew as a parable for that time period 40 years. The time of testing or trial,. God does not give reasons for moral law (the remaining 9 commandments )

The word Sabbath is a non time sensitive word. The last day of the week was celebrated with a fast used to represent the true fast . (Isaiah 58 )The Holy Spirit would bring no manna on the first day . Twice as much was to be gathered so that the next day they could eat . It was common the manna was split into three kosher meals.

One day set aside from the normal work of maintaining these bodies of death by which a person could have the time to love his neighbor. The manna ceased when they enter the temporal Jerusalem signified as the heavenly unseen .A shadow of the true unseen city as the bride of Christ.

Entering the promised land would reflect children of light .The first day when God said let their be light. It represented the new era of Sabbaths that we are in

.But any day we do not have regular work needed is a good day to exercise the true fast. . . the gospel . The kind of fast that does with prayer drive out lying spirts called demons. Which the disciples at first could not. They knew not of that kind of food, not understanding the parable they remined faithless, confused .

The Youngs translation seems to fit the new era of Sabbaths .(fist day of the week) Changing the word rest into week . Would seem to mean people are still wandering around in the wilderness . And not representing the new Kingdom of priest that do offer the hidden manna. Men and women from all tribes all the nations of the world .

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

But even the Youngs Literal Translation it seems mistranslate by replacing the word sabbath a non time senititive word with the word week .

When the bible was inspired the Greek had no word for week

Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

It should read I fast twice in the Sabbath , I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

Three meals were allowed. This leaves his bragging rights empty, void of any spiritual understanding. .

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I commend you for the way you wrote, you wrote in a manner for one to weigh it carefully. The problem I have is that most of the translation interpret to fit their view and the Scriptures is not to be interpreted. God was clear when he first spoke so if one has to interpret the Scripture what they are saying is that God was not clear when he first spoke which is why is important when reading the Scriptures one prays to God that the Spirit of God enlightens our eyes with the understanding of what God made clear when he first spoke. I do not go to any translated, I would go to the original language and look of the word in the Greek to get the true meaning of the word within the context.

As I was reading your post, I believe the Spirit of God was enlightening my mind with more about the truth of the Sabbath that it is to be kept and the seventh day is the day. 1) When Yeshua said that he is the Lord of the Sabbath is because if you read Exodus 20, the Sabbath is of the Lord that is why he was able to say that, 2) When God said, remember the Sabbath, keep it holy, he did not yet tell Israel how to hold it, but it is safe to conclude that before he told Israel how to hold it, they had to be holding it, 3) God shows how to keep it holy, in the of Israel he told them to hold it as a memorial that God delivered them out of Egypt, in the case of believers in Yeshua, it was giving to this in remembrance of him (the communion), and what day a week should we remember what Yeshua did on the cross, I have no doubt it is the specific day God gave.

I will go over what I sent you and added to my site.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Rest is not done away. What is done away is the understanding that there are carnal rules associated with how and what particular day this rest is accomplished. "There is made of necessity a change of the law"

This change is that Rest is given by Christ and that means we no longer work at our understanding of the law. Righteousness is given to us as a gift. Salvation is given to us as a gift. Wisdom is give to us as a gift.


Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
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The priesthood was not change

Hebrews 7:12-19
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Rest is not done away. What is done away is the understanding that there are carnal rules associated with how and what particular day this rest is accomplished. "There is made of necessity a change of the law"

This change is that Rest is given by Christ and that means we no longer work at our understanding of the law. Righteousness is given to us as a gift. Salvation is given to us as a gift. Wisdom is give to us as a gift.


Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[/QUOTE]
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Thanks for that.

I see it a little differently as to how we are to keep, as to what we are to keep or guard closely with all our heart soul and mind.

I would understand the two commandments working together as one. Which is again mentioned in the new testaments the golden rule. love the Lord our God and ones neighbor as oneself . So that in obeying God he works it out in us so that we can love our neighbor by bringing the good news .

The gospel or what is called the "true fast" is two fold in that way. We share our physical bread and other human needs along with the spiritual the word of God , or called manna. The bread of new life.

The two listing (Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5) of the same sabbath commandment that pertain with rest they have different reasonings' are ceremonial shadows . One the seventh day the other the departure from Egypt using the Jew as a parable for that time period 40 years. The time of testing or trial,. God does not give reasons for moral law (the remaining 9 commandments )

The word Sabbath is a non time sensitive word. The last day of the week was celebrated with a fast used to represent the true fast . (Isaiah 58 )The Holy Spirit would bring no manna on the first day . Twice as much was to be gathered so that the next day they could eat . It was common the manna was split into three kosher meals.

One day set aside from the normal work of maintaining these bodies of death by which a person could have the time to love his neighbor. The manna ceased when they enter the temporal Jerusalem signified as the heavenly unseen .A shadow of the true unseen city as the bride of Christ.

Entering the promised land would reflect children of light .The first day when God said let their be light. It represented the new era of Sabbaths that we are in

.But any day we do not have regular work needed is a good day to exercise the true fast. . . the gospel . The kind of fast that does with prayer drive out lying spirts called demons. Which the disciples at first could not. They knew not of that kind of food, not understanding the parable they remined faithless, confused .

The Youngs translation seems to fit the new era of Sabbaths .(fist day of the week) Changing the word rest into week . Would seem to mean people are still wandering around in the wilderness . And not representing the new Kingdom of priest that do offer the hidden manna. Men and women from all tribes all the nations of the world .

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

But even the Youngs Literal Translation it seems mistranslate by replacing the word sabbath a non time senititive word with the word week .

When the bible was inspired the Greek had no word for week

Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

It should read I fast twice in the Sabbath , I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

Three meals were allowed. This leaves his bragging rights empty, void of any spiritual understanding. .

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I commend you for the way you wrote, you wrote in a manner for one to weigh it carefully. The problem I have is that most of the translation interpret to fit their view and the Scriptures is not to be interpreted. God was clear when he first spoke so if one has to interpret the Scripture what they are saying is that God was not clear when he first spoke which is why is important when reading the Scriptures one prays to God that the Spirit of God enlightens our eyes with the understanding of what God made clear when he first spoke. I do not go to any translated, I would go to the original language and look of the word in the Greek to get the true meaning of the word within the context.

As I was reading your post, I believe the Spirit of God was enlightening my mind with more about the truth of the Sabbath that it is to be kept and the seventh day is the day. 1) When Yeshua said that he is the Lord of the Sabbath is because if you read Exodus 20, the Sabbath is of the Lord that is why he was able to say that, 2) When God said, remember the Sabbath, keep it holy, he did not yet tell Israel how to hold it, but it is safe to conclude that before he told Israel how to hold it, they had to be holding it, 3) God shows how to keep it holy, in the of Israel he told them to hold it as a memorial that God delivered them out of Egypt, in the case of believers in Yeshua, it was giving to this in remembrance of him (the communion), and what day a week should we remember what Yeshua did on the cross, I have no doubt it is the specific day God gave.

I will go over what I sent you and added to my site.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Hebrews 7:12-19
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Rest is not done away. What is done away is the understanding that there are carnal rules associated with how and what particular day this rest is accomplished. "There is made of necessity a change of the law"

This change is that Rest is given by Christ and that means we no longer work at our understanding of the law. Righteousness is given to us as a gift. Salvation is given to us as a gift. Wisdom is give to us as a gift.


Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

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* He did not change it, he did not come out in the order of the priesthood of the Levi, he was from the tribe of Judah, as it is stated, and which Moses spoke nothing about concerning priesthood.

You stated... rest is not done away. Show me Scriptures that the Sabbath rest is done away with. If you read my past post you will understand what is the new covenant is.

You stated... we no longer work at our understanding of the law. Righteousness is given to us as a gift. Salvation is given to us as a gift. Wisdom is give to us as a gift. ---- What does this have to do with what we are dicussion?

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

 

[garee]

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* He did not change it, he did not come out in the order of the priesthood of the Levi, he was from the tribe of Judah, as it is stated, and which Moses spoke nothing about concerning priesthood.

You stated... rest is not done away. Show me Scriptures that the Sabbath rest is done away with. If you read my past post you will understand what is the new covenant is.

You stated... we no longer work at our understanding of the law. Righteousness is given to us as a gift. Salvation is given to us as a gift. Wisdom is give to us as a gift. ---- What does this have to do with what we are dicussion?

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Moses spoke of the High Priest continually as eternal God without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof. Typified by a vision or theophany . The tribe of Levi alone was assigned to represent our High Priest as the Son of God, not seen. .
It is what the discussion in John 3 was about. How could one from the tribe of Judah be ceremonially baptized by levi? And now he is baptizing all of mankind after all the nations of the world like a Levi.

John 3:25-26 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.


Hebrews 7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. ...

Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Psalm 110:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 5:10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 7:1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the
kings, and blessed him;

The same kingdom of priest as Ambassadors sent from a foreign land not of this world spoken of in Joel . . men and woman from all the nations prophesying the gospel a living hope .

 

[Dino246]

I commend you for the way you wrote, you wrote in a manner for one to weigh it carefully. The problem I have is that most of the translation interpret to fit their view and the Scriptures is not to be interpreted. God was clear when he first spoke so if one has to interpret the Scripture what they are saying is that God was not clear when he first spoke which is why is important when reading the Scriptures one prays to God that the Spirit of God enlightens our eyes with the understanding of what God made clear when he first spoke. I do not go to any translated, I would go to the original language and look of the word in the Greek to get the true meaning of the word within the context.

Regarding the bolded part, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you haven't done any translation yourself. Translation requires interpretation. Since it is impossible to translate either Greek or Hebrew to English in a word-for-word manner, the translator must interpret to some degree.

Further, the meaning of some parts of Scripture is intentionally obscure, even in the original languages. God hid His plans for Jesus' death and resurrection from the OT saints, so that the fulfillment of certain prophecies could only be seen in hindsight.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I am not denying that Yeshua was a high priest under the order of Melchisedec.

Let me rephrase it... He did not change it, he did not come out of order of the priesthood of the Levi, he was from the tribe of Judah, as it is stated which Moses spoke nothing about him concerning coming out of the levi's.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Regarding the bolded part, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you haven't done any translation yourself. Translation requires interpretation. Since it is impossible to translate either Greek or Hebrew to English in a word-for-word manner, the translator must interpret to some degree.

Further, the meaning of some parts of Scripture is intentionally obscure, even in the original languages. God hid His plans for Jesus' death and resurrection from the OT saints, so that the fulfillment of certain prophecies could only be seen in hindsight.

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An interpretation is not a word-for-word translation of a spoken message, where as a translation renders the text from a source language into a target language while preserving meaning. Most bible interpretations are called translations, but it is just an interpretation, and most of them have a lot of errors, or changes some true meaning. I don't use interpretations, I go to the Greek/Hebrew language and trust that the Spirit of God will enlighten my mind with an understanding of the truth of God's word, what he made clear when he first spoke, he is the one that teaches what God made clear when he first spoke.

God did not hide it from his people, it is clear from the Scriptures that he was spoken of prior to his birth and Isaiah 53 substantiates my statement, not to mention, Abraham rejoiced to see his day. Remember what God said, shall we hold anything from him and there are passages in the Scriptures that one cannot escape the fact it is the Son of God, not yet known to them that he was the Messiah.

 

[Dino246]

An interpretation is not a word-for-word translation of a spoken message, where as a translation renders the text from a source language into a target language while preserving meaning.

Again, it is clear that you haven't done any translation yourself.

God did not hide it from his people, it is clear from the Scriptures that he was spoken of prior to his birth and Isaiah 53 substantiates my statement, not to mention, Abraham rejoiced to see his day. Remember what God said, shall we hold anything from him and there are passages in the Scriptures that one cannot escape the fact it is the Son of God, not yet known to them that he was the Messiah.

If this were true, a lot more Jewish people would believe in Jesus. You can't escape the perspective you have as a post-resurrection believer in Christ.

Anyway, I'm not wanting to bicker the point.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Again, it is clear that you haven't done any translation yourself.


If this were true, a lot more Jewish people would believe in Jesus. You can't escape the perspective you have as a post-resurrection believer in Christ.

Anyway, I'm not wanting to bicker the point.

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First, if you read what I posted it was a respond I stated that Yeshua was spoken of before his birth and Isaiah 53 was given to substantiate this truth, in other words, the topic had nothing to do with resurrection.

But to respond to what you stated... Romans 11:25 says, for I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Not to mention, before his crucifixion and resurrection Yeshua was on earth, wasn't he? Did not he say to them that he was he? Did not he say to them that he would be lifted (referring to the crucifixion)? Even though some believed, the Scriptures does say that he came to his own and his own received him not, therefore, you cannot escape the fact that he himself spoke of his resurrection prior to him being crucified, and neither of the AD book were yet written.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

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First, if you read what I posted it was a respond I stated that Yeshua was spoken of before his birth and Isaiah 53 was given to substantiate this truth, in other words, the topic had nothing to do with resurrection.

But to respond to what you stated... Romans 11:25 says, for I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Not to mention, before his crucifixion and resurrection Yeshua was on earth, wasn't he? Did not he say to them that he was he? Did not he say to them that he would be lifted (referring to the crucifixion)? Even though some believed, the Scriptures does say that he came to his own and his own received him not, therefore, you cannot escape the fact that he himself spoke of his resurrection prior to him being crucified, and neither of the AD book were yet written.

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First, prove to me that Yeshua and his death was not spoken of prior to his crucifixion, let me put it in a form of a question... was Yeshua spoken about prior to his resurrection, yes or no, and if no, show me Scriptures?

I do not try to interpret the word of God and any man that does will eventually distort the word of God. God was clear when he first spoke and the Spirit of God will lead us to all truth and let us understand what God have made clear when he first spoken, in addition, those things that I do not understand I put them aside and one day God will reveal what he was talking about. If you leave it up to man and man will destroy the true meaning of the Scriptures, which is why, though I read about prophecy, I stay away from discussing it prophecy discussing until prophecy is fulfilled.

Don't just give me what you think, back it up with the Scriptures.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Again, it is clear that you haven't done any translation yourself.


If this were true, a lot more Jewish people would believe in Jesus. You can't escape the perspective you have as a post-resurrection believer in Christ.

Anyway, I'm not wanting to bicker the point.

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First, prove to me that Yeshua and about his death was not spoken of prior to his crucifixion or let me put it in a form of a question... was Yeshua and his death spoken of prior to his death, yes or no, and if no, show me Scriptures?

I do not try to interpret the word of God and any man that does will eventually distort the word of God. God was clear when he first spoke and the Spirit of God will lead us to all truth and let us understand what God have made clear when he first spoken, in addition, those things that I do not understand I put them aside and one day God will reveal what he was talking about. If you leave it up to man they will destroy the true meaning of the Scriptures, what God made clear when he first spoke, which is why, though I read about prophecy, I stay away from discussing prophecy until prophecy is fulfilled.

Don't just give me what you think, back it up with the Scriptures. Another thing, learn the the difference that an interpretation is and what a translation is. The jehovah witnesses and mormons have a an interpretation not a translation.

You say that you are not bickering, but you are being sarcastic in the way you are using the word. The differences between us is that I am direct... you appear to want to engage in a bad-tempered quarrel, expressing your anger because you disagree with me.

 

[Dino246]

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First, prove to me that Yeshua and about his death was not spoken of prior to his crucifixion or let me put it in a form of a question... was Yeshua and his death spoken of prior to his death, yes or no, and if no, show me Scriptures?

I do not try to interpret the word of God and any man that does will eventually distort the word of God. God was clear when he first spoke and the Spirit of God will lead us to all truth and let us understand what God have made clear when he first spoken, in addition, those things that I do not understand I put them aside and one day God will reveal what he was talking about. If you leave it up to man they will destroy the true meaning of the Scriptures, what God made clear when he first spoke, which is why, though I read about prophecy, I stay away from discussing prophecy until prophecy is fulfilled.

Don't just give me what you think, back it up with the Scriptures. Another thing, learn the the difference that an interpretation is and what a translation is. The jehovah witnesses and mormons have a an interpretation not a translation.

You say that you are not bickering, but you are being sarcastic in the way you are using the word. The differences between us is that I am direct... you appear to want to engage in a bad-tempered quarrel, expressing your anger because you disagree with me.

I don't need to "prove" anything to anyone that I have not asserted. I don't need to respond to your leading questions. I don't need to play your emotionally charged games. I have tried to explain kindly that there are realities regarding translation between different languages about which you seem unaware, and you want to argue instead of learning.

Have a nice day.

 

[Grandpa]

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* He did not change it, he did not come out in the order of the priesthood of the Levi, he was from the tribe of Judah, as it is stated, and which Moses spoke nothing about concerning priesthood.

You stated... rest is not done away. Show me Scriptures that the Sabbath rest is done away with. If you read my past post you will understand what is the new covenant is.

You stated... we no longer work at our understanding of the law. Righteousness is given to us as a gift. Salvation is given to us as a gift. Wisdom is give to us as a gift. ---- What does this have to do with what we are dicussion?

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

A Saturday sabbath is prescribed in the law. If you are working at the law then you try to not do work on Saturdays. And all the rules that go along with that.

If you've been given Rest, by Christ, then you don't work at the law. Rest is not something you try to do on saturdays. Rest is what you do every day, in Christ. It is how to continue in the Spirit.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

After you have been given rest by Christ, are you perfected by working at the law?? No. Of course not. That is foolish. We are perfected by abiding in Christ. By continuing to Rest from our work at the law and have faith in Christ that He is growing fruit in our lives. The fruit of Righteousness and Wisdom.


2 Corinthians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


Christians, who have been to Christ, no longer work at nor are under the Ministration of Death that was written on stones. Christians, who have been to Christ, are now under the Ministration of Righteousness by Abiding in and Resting in Christ. By Faith.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I don't need to "prove" anything to anyone that I have not asserted. I don't need to respond to your leading questions. I don't need to play your emotionally charged games. I have tried to explain kindly that there are realities regarding translation between different languages about which you seem unaware, and you want to argue instead of learning.

Have a nice day.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I don't need to "prove" anything to anyone that I have not asserted. I don't need to respond to your leading questions. I don't need to play your emotionally charged games. I have tried to explain kindly that there are realities regarding translation between different languages about which you seem unaware, and you want to argue instead of learning.

Have a nice day.[/QUOTE]
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Don't make it appear what is not, and let me make myself clear that I don't argue the Scripture, I put the Scriptures on the table even if one disagrees. In this case, there were no Scriptures, I just explained the difference between interpretation and translation and it appears that you got agitated with my response because you disagree.

Take your advice and don't respond to anything I post and thank you, I will have a nice day.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

A Saturday sabbath is prescribed in the law. If you are working at the law then you try to not do work on Saturdays. And all the rules that go along with that.

If you've been given Rest, by Christ, then you don't work at the law. Rest is not something you try to do on saturdays. Rest is what you do every day, in Christ. It is how to continue in the Spirit.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

After you have been given rest by Christ, are you perfected by working at the law?? No. Of course not. That is foolish. We are perfected by abiding in Christ. By continuing to Rest from our work at the law and have faith in Christ that He is growing fruit in our lives. The fruit of Righteousness and Wisdom.


2 Corinthians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


Christians, who have been to Christ, no longer work at nor are under the Ministration of Death that was written on stones. Christians, who have been to Christ, are now under the Ministration of Righteousness by Abiding in and Resting in Christ. By Faith.

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I will respond accordingly.

 

[garee]

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First, prove to me that Yeshua and about his death was not spoken of prior to his crucifixion or let me put it in a form of a question... was Yeshua and his death spoken of prior to his death, yes or no, and if no, show me Scriptures?

I do not try to interpret the word of God and any man that does will eventually distort the word of God. God was clear when he first spoke and the Spirit of God will lead us to all truth and let us understand what God have made clear when he first spoken, in addition, those things that I do not understand I put them aside and one day God will reveal what he was talking about. If you leave it up to man they will destroy the true meaning of the Scriptures, what God made clear when he first spoke, which is why, though I read about prophecy, I stay away from discussing prophecy until prophecy is fulfilled.

Don't just give me what you think, back it up with the Scriptures. Another thing, learn the the difference that an interpretation is and what a translation is. The jehovah witnesses and mormons have a an interpretation not a translation.

You say that you are not bickering, but you are being sarcastic in the way you are using the word. The differences between us is that I am direct... you appear to want to engage in a bad-tempered quarrel, expressing your anger because you disagree with me.

Prophecy is the revealed mind of God . How could you stay away from if it reveals the way the truth the life? How would you believe without it?

God who is eternal Spirit cannot literally die. His death was a sleep. Like that of the example of Lazarus . When Jesus said Lazarus was dead and then had to explain the hidden spiritual understanding. .The father did not allow his body to see corruption as he poured out His Spirit life on it.

Jesus as the Son of God is the lamb slain from the foundation that six days he did work .And finished it by resting. The rest we do have as salvation.

He is the first born from the dead shown by the ceremonial law of circummsion .As a shadow it represented the suffering of Christ our bloody husband beforehand hand and the glory that did follow. All of the old testament saints that were looking ahead their graves were opened. The resurrection or rapture..

The Lord threatened to kill Moses for not honoring the ceremonial law to represent the suffering of Christ as our bloody husband beforehand . The gospel is preached through the ceremony as shadow of Christ our husband .

And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn. And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.Exodus 4: 22-26

They simply looked ahead bt the same spirit of Christ faith working in them by which we look back receiving the end from the beginning. Same bloody husband that Moses was almost killed for if not the for act of his gentile wife moved the Holy Spirit .


Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified "beforehand" the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1:9-11

 

[Dino246]

Don't make it appear what is not, and let me make myself clear that I don't argue the Scripture, I put the Scriptures on the table even if one disagrees. In this case, there were no Scriptures, I just explained the difference between interpretation and translation and it appears that you got agitated with my response because you disagree.

Take your advice and don't respond to anything I post and thank you, I will have a nice day.

You have no idea what my emotional state is; you're only projecting your own. I will reply when and to whom I choose. I see no need to post Scripture to support a point for which Scripture is a secondary issue, and only generally at that. All you have explained is the difference in the way you understand "translation" and "interpretation". You're entitled to your opinion, devoid as it may be of any practical experience.

 

[Grandpa]

You have no idea what my emotional state is; you're only projecting your own. I will reply when and to whom I choose. I see no need to post Scripture to support a point for which Scripture is a secondary issue, and only generally at that. All you have explained is the difference in the way you understand "translation" and "interpretation". You're entitled to your opinion, devoid as it may be of any practical experience.

This is the necessary difference in viewing scripture from a working at the law perspective versus Resting in Christ perspective.

Scripture means entirely different things to each perspective.

There is no way to post scripture without it being interpreted by some pre-supposed way of understanding it.


When I explain what the scripture means I am explaining it in the way I understand it.

Very rarely does this match up with those who work at the law and view working at the law as the ONLY viable way of coming to God and maintaining "fellowship".


Most often this ends in frustration for both sides. So I only take it so far before I end discussion. Unless I think it is a VERY important point....

Which I think this one is.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

A Saturday sabbath is prescribed in the law. If you are working at the law then you try to not do work on Saturdays. And all the rules that go along with that.

If you've been given Rest, by Christ, then you don't work at the law. Rest is not something you try to do on saturdays. Rest is what you do every day, in Christ. It is how to continue in the Spirit.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

After you have been given rest by Christ, are you perfected by working at the law?? No. Of course not. That is foolish. We are perfected by abiding in Christ. By continuing to Rest from our work at the law and have faith in Christ that He is growing fruit in our lives. The fruit of Righteousness and Wisdom.


2 Corinthians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


Christians, who have been to Christ, no longer work at nor are under the Ministration of Death that was written on stones. Christians, who have been to Christ, are now under the Ministration of Righteousness by Abiding in and Resting in Christ. By Faith.

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If am understood what you are saying, I will respond with the following... When God gave the Sabbath day he said, remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. In Exodus 31, he tells Moses to speak to the children of Israel that the Sabbath they shall keep, for it is a sign between him and Israel, to keep it, to observe it throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant, it is a sign between him and the children of Israel forever, that they may know that the LORD doeth sanctify them and whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. The question that has to be answered, should the Gentile believers keep the Sabbath? If you move from a state that believes in the Second Amendment to a state that does not allow firearms, you will need to abide by the new state laws. With this being said, when a Gentile believes in Yeshua he becomes part of the commonwealth of Israel, therefore, he should abide by the Law of the LORD. To not write a book, I recommend reading Isaiah 56.

I will also add that those who were not stoned was because they kept the Sabbath day, showing that the sabbath day can be kept
To my recollection, the Scriptures tell us that King Solomon rested in the LORD, and he still kept the law, therefore, Resting in Yeshua does not mean that the law of God should be avoided. We rest in the LORD every day, but God gave a specific day to keep holy.
Matthew 11:28, has nothing to do with the Sabbath day, but that he will give rest to the soul. If we are perfecting in Yeshua which we are that means we will be able to keep the Sabbath.

Sorry, I didn't elaborate more and did not answer most of the questions, I only had 5 hours sleep yesterday, so I am extremely tire. Hopefully tomorrow I will respond to the rest of what you posted.