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Heb 6:4-6. But this must be tempered with “ brethren we are confident of better things for you and things that accompany salvation, though we speak thusly
I don’t think most people interpret Hebrews 6:4-6 rightly. I think he speaks thusly in context of them seeking to again and again lay the foundation that was already laid. See Hebrews 6:1
I don’t think most people interpret Hebrews 6:4-6 rightly. I think he speaks thusly in context of them seeking to again and again lay the foundation that was already laid. See Hebrews 6:1
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I never fell from grace Far from it sis
If anything, Grace sustaied me, By Grace God allowed me to go. By Grace he chastened me, (and it was painful) By Grace he put me in positions I would fail. By grace he brought me back. when I was ready to end it all.
Grace is never removed from a believer.
If anything, Grace sustaied me, By Grace God allowed me to go. By Grace he chastened me, (and it was painful) By Grace he put me in positions I would fail. By grace he brought me back. when I was ready to end it all.
Grace is never removed from a believer.
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What they did was go BACK to what they TRULY had faith in, Because they NEVER fully trusted God.
We o this all the time. We try new things to see if they are better ways, But if we really trust the old way. We will always go back.
Those people trusted the law. They tried a new way, ad were easily convinced to go back, .Because they is what they REALLY trusted.
A dog returns to his vomit, because he is a dog. He never changed state. So he goes back to his natural self..
We o this all the time. We try new things to see if they are better ways, But if we really trust the old way. We will always go back.
Those people trusted the law. They tried a new way, ad were easily convinced to go back, .Because they is what they REALLY trusted.
A dog returns to his vomit, because he is a dog. He never changed state. So he goes back to his natural self..
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this is so well put. this is like me being a lazy slob. i try to reform and i go back to being lazy after i try it for a while lolz
but this time ive been going hard for some time now and had good results. maybe God has changed my mind about it i hope. i have no urge to become lazy again this time.
but this time ive been going hard for some time now and had good results. maybe God has changed my mind about it i hope. i have no urge to become lazy again this time.
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I do not think you understand that is a set us free synonym Born Again. And it referring to the Yoke of Bondage, as Yoke of the LEGALISM.
You have got to understand that there are disciples that have NOT YET been BORN AGAIN, and are NOT SAVED. Such as these Disciples:
John 6:66 (NIV)
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
The FACT that they FOLLOWED HIM, does not mean those were SAVED BELIEVERS. Many just FOLLOW HIM for the SHOW, of HIS healings and Miracles. And that word disciples, only means a follower of a certain teacher, no matter how long of short the length of their stay was. SO THEY HAD NEVER BEEN BORN AGAIN AND BELIEVED. They were their for only the entertainment value. If you want to see proof that Disciple, only means FOLLOWER, here it is:
Matthew 9:14 (ASV)
14 Then come to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?
Mark 2:18 (NKJV)
18 The disciples of John and of the Pharisees were fasting. Then they came and said to Him, "Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but Your disciples do not fast?"
So it does not mean that they were SAVED followers of Jesus, only JUST FOLLOWERS who were not SAVED, and left HIM.
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Someday you will...
. I don't give up too easily.
. I don't give up too easily.
Of that, I have no doubt-
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Fall from grace in the context of those verses mean, went from the true gospel of grace unto a fallen gospel with the law added which ruins the whole thing.... this is less about who is and is not saved on a personal level to the church, and more about providing sound doctrine and describing how dangerous this gospel which doesn't rely on the righteousness of Christ which is imputed by grace through faith...
No?
Galatians 5
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
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This is to the whole church which would have a wide group of different people in different spots.....
Though paul is confident in those that actually believe the truth through the LORD to keep us, but understands there are those among us who are dangerous and will push for the specific false doctrine of following laws to be justified... then instructs us to walk in love
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Lead by example instead if tit for tat.... those who look to the law or works are the quickest to point their fingers lol
We ought to show the peace and joy that comes from the good news...
(though I admit I find it hard when I see someone pervert what is so important to me)
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TLDR: I believe "fallen from grace" here is descriptive of separate principals where one is to obey the truth and submit to the righteousness of Christ which is by GRACE through faith and the opposite where circumcision or any law will play even a small part in how we are seen as righteous before God.... which would turn grace into something else
This is a message to the church which includes saved and unsaved which all believe they are "in Christ" but paul remains confident that through the Lord all who are His will ultimatelty not be other minded than what is true even if our walk is hindered and we have arguments so fruitless that it would have been better to just cut off what it is that caused these fights... ( given circumcision is the topic... goodness😬)
I believe the "instruction" is to walk in love... which is to believers
No?
Galatians 5
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
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This is to the whole church which would have a wide group of different people in different spots.....
Though paul is confident in those that actually believe the truth through the LORD to keep us, but understands there are those among us who are dangerous and will push for the specific false doctrine of following laws to be justified... then instructs us to walk in love
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Lead by example instead if tit for tat.... those who look to the law or works are the quickest to point their fingers lol
We ought to show the peace and joy that comes from the good news...
(though I admit I find it hard when I see someone pervert what is so important to me)
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TLDR: I believe "fallen from grace" here is descriptive of separate principals where one is to obey the truth and submit to the righteousness of Christ which is by GRACE through faith and the opposite where circumcision or any law will play even a small part in how we are seen as righteous before God.... which would turn grace into something else
This is a message to the church which includes saved and unsaved which all believe they are "in Christ" but paul remains confident that through the Lord all who are His will ultimatelty not be other minded than what is true even if our walk is hindered and we have arguments so fruitless that it would have been better to just cut off what it is that caused these fights... ( given circumcision is the topic... goodness😬)
I believe the "instruction" is to walk in love... which is to believers
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I know we always ask but they have no answer.
Of course their second option it to argue that only on-going belief that saves.
As though God does not accept our repentance (change of mind and belief) and holds His gift of salvation in front of us like a carrot in front of horse... but not quite in reach...... a rather tenuous..... how horrible is that!!!
Thereby making salvation a reward rather than a gift contrary to what God so clearly states.
Of course their second option it to argue that only on-going belief that saves.
As though God does not accept our repentance (change of mind and belief) and holds His gift of salvation in front of us like a carrot in front of horse... but not quite in reach...... a rather tenuous..... how horrible is that!!!
Thereby making salvation a reward rather than a gift contrary to what God so clearly states.
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Yes I do not disagree, but we must understand that grace is also the divine influence on the believer's heart as stated by Paul in Timothy.
King James Bible
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
It is the empowering presence of Christ within us... without we have no chance to be victorious.... we stay in the influence by focusing on Him, otherwise we end up finishing in the flesh what was started in the spirit.
That is what the Galatians we doing... under grace means under its influence as well as the position of Grace which is irrevocable.
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