How the Serpent Became Satan

[posthuman]

The Book of Colossians chapter 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

including refuting false doctrine.

for the sake of the Truth

 

[posthuman]

I did not start this thread to invite hate and derision.

why did you decide to start a thread dedicated to sharing this article?

do you believe the things in the article? who do you think the Serpent in the garden was - some random snake, or a particular personality of significance?

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Then who tempted Jesus in the wilderness? One of God's loyal angelic beings? His own imagination? Someone in the imaginations of Matthew and Luke? Was He merely enticed by His own desires, as James so described the state of a mere human who experiences temptation?

Well, show us a place where all the kingdoms of the earth can be seen in a moment of time.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

? who do you think the Serpent in the garden was - some random snake, or a particular personality of significance?

Well it is pretty obvious if one understands that the only creature that was given the ability to speak was man.

 

[posthuman]

Well it is pretty obvious if one understands that the only creature that was given the ability to speak was man.

You've never shared a home with a cat eh

 

[UnoiAmarah]

You've never shared a home with a cat eh

If that is the reason for the hope in you, then nuff said.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

FALSE. These remarks shown that the writer is an unbeliever.

Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. Deut 4:35

Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. Deut 4:39

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God (Spirit) beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isa 45:5-7

So if "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning" as written in 1 John 3:8, then if all men have sinned howbeit that God created man?


Who was Jesus speaking to according to John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." See John 8:31

2 Tim 3:16-4:1
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[posthuman]

If that is the reason for the hope in you, then nuff said.

i'm sorry; were we talking about Satan, hope, or living creatures communicating with languages?

 

[garee]

While this thread is still visible, members entering may consider reading these resources. Note: The information is gleaned from Jewish persons. Search engine criteria: did Judaism have a satan

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/satan-the-adversary/

Jewish teaching. As I said, if we are hostile toward Hebrew history, their Bible, we are lost. Because our faith is grounded there.
Blessings.

Does Judaism Believe in Satan?

What difference would it make if they believed the word of God or not? What does Jewish history as the witness of man have to do with the author of scripture? Its not their Bible. God is not a man and therefore a Jew.

The bible is the one source for hearing God of those who have the Spirit of Christ in them .If any man has not the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God. Then they simply do not belong to Christ.

 

[twofeet]

Thank you Whispered for your thread. It is interesting to read other peoples views on certain topics as the Bible says "We ALL see in part". I know for myself on this subject, many Christians fight for their right to believe Satan was once an angel. Yet not one scripture from Genesis to Revelation ever says he was. There are some that link him to the angelic because of scriptures like " Satan and the angels"....but that's like saying "Twofeet and the Royal family"....... I can assure you...I am no princess Associating with certain "Types" does not mean you are one. Also it says he could masquerade as an angel of light.... again, people say it was because he was one. He also, in my biblical understanding, masqueraded as a snake.... that doesn't mean he was one of them either. Other scriptures about "Cherubs fallen from heaven" are also accredited to him yet HIS NAME is never mentioned. There were a third of angels cast out of heaven......it could be references to any of them. I actually find it interesting that considering he is our "arch enemy" the bible never clearly says WHAT he is or where he came from. So thank you for your viewpoint Whispered on this subject. It was an interesting read.

 

[garee]

How the Serpent Became Satan

Adam, Eve and the serpent in the Garden of Eden
Shawna Dolansky une 08, 2019

Introduced as “the most clever of all of the beasts of the field that YHWH God had made,” the serpent in the Garden of Eden is portrayed as just that: a serpent. Satan does not make an appearance in Genesis 2–3, for the simple reason that when the story was written, the concept of the devil had not yet been invented. Explaining the serpent in the Garden of Eden as Satan would have been as foreign a concept to the ancient authors of the text as referring to Ezekiel’s vision as a UFO (but Google “Ezekiel’s vision” now, and you’ll see that plenty of people today have made that connection!). In fact, while the word satan appears elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, it is never a proper name; since there is no devil in ancient Israel’s worldview, there can’t yet have been a proper name for such a creature.

If a person removes the cause of sin (the spirit of lies)...then there is no trespass.

I think going back to the beginning of the article is a good place to start .

What does the ancient Israel’s "worldview" as a private interpretation or witness of man seen have to do with the interpretation of eternal God. . as His witness?

Know one knows what kind or what talent the serpent had before the corruption. Whether it flew or walked or swam .it was made to come to slither. It could of been the most beautiful pleasing to the eye a be desired to make one wise. Like the fruit of the tree.

A creature that could mimic human sounds like a mocking bird.. Or like the example with Peter in Mathew 16.

The whole point is the use of corrupted flesh and blood creature seen "the lust of the eye" (1 john 2:16) .

God, who is not a man as us will not be associated in that way . Even the Son of man Jesus when called good Master according to what the eyes see said; One is good God alone is good. He will not share his glorious place of faith (the unseen) with the things seen of this world the temporal.

In the garden. By the lie. . ."you shall not die" it removed the faith needed to believe the unseen voice as the spirit of truth the glory of God departed . . and it opened up a can of false pride like a can of worms.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world

To show God is not mocked he is shown with stammering lips (mocking lips) speaking through a Ass an unclean animal. He speaking prophecy prevents the madness of the false prophet Balaam in order to show us he is not served by human hands as the will. As if he neded something from the clay he is forming Christ in.

Again not what "kind" of flesh and blood creature but rather the whole idea of looking to the things seen, the temporal, as if the kingdom of God did come by observation.

We can see the same spirit of lies working in Peter. . a flesh and blood creature .Therefore having the things of men seen, in the place of things of God, not seen offending, the Spirit of Christ . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man pertaining to the flesh of Jesus . Today forgiveness against the Holy Spirit not seen is not forgivable.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

 

[RevelationMan]

Thank you Whispered for your thread. It is interesting to read other peoples views on certain topics as the Bible says "We ALL see in part". I know for myself on this subject, many Christians fight for their right to believe Satan was once an angel. Yet not one scripture from Genesis to Revelation ever says he was. There are some that link him to the angelic because of scriptures like " Satan and the angels"....but that's like saying "Twofeet and the Royal family"....... I can assure you...I am no princess Associating with certain "Types" does not mean you are one. Also it says he could masquerade as an angel of light.... again, people say it was because he was one. He also, in my biblical understanding, masqueraded as a snake.... that doesn't mean he was one of them either. Other scriptures about "Cherubs fallen from heaven" are also accredited to him yet HIS NAME is never mentioned. There were a third of angels cast out of heaven......it could be references to any of them. I actually find it interesting that considering he is our "arch enemy" the bible never clearly says WHAT he is or where he came from. So thank you for your viewpoint Whispered on this subject. It was an interesting read.

Well we know that Satan is not superior to Michael who we know is an angel because Satan loses the battle in heaven to Michael. We know the Serpent (Satan) was created because the text says that he "was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made".

 

[RevelationMan]

Which one? Ours or the Hebrews?

I think it important to remember, the Christian New Testament is grounded in the Hebrew Old Testament. If we are hostile to Hebrew history, we are lost.

While Hebrew history gives some interesting perspectives and angles to our theology we must be careful to not rely too much on the Hebrew history because they missed the passages that clearly show Christ's first coming. We can get so caught up in the details of history that we miss the passages that simply reflect reality.

 

[posthuman]

While Hebrew history gives some interesting perspectives we must be careful to not rely too much on the Hebrew history because they missed the passages that clearly show Christ's first coming. We can get so caught up in the details of history that we miss the simple passages that reflect reality

not everyone missed it. even the woman at the well understood, and she was a Samaritan.

but there aren't 'two Bibles, a Hebrew one and "ours"' -- there is one Bible. it starts with Genesis and ends with the Revelation of Christ - it is the revelation of Jesus Christ, from Beginning to End.

 

[Nehemiah6]

but there aren't 'two Bibles, a Hebrew one and "ours"' -- there is one Bible.

Correct. Ideally what should have happened when the Bible was translated is that the format of the Hebrew Tanakh (our Old Testament) should have been maintained. Which means that we would have had only 51 books in the Bible (24 from the Hebrew Bible and 27 from the Greek NT). Instead the format of the Septuagint was adopted, which meant that several books of the Tanakh were split up to produce 39 books.

In the Hebrew Tanakh Samuel, Kings, Chronicles, and Ezra-Nehemiah are single books.
And all the twelve Minor Prophets are in just one book called Trei-Assar (The Twelve).

 

[garee]

Thank you Whispered for your thread. It is interesting to read other peoples views on certain topics as the Bible says "We ALL see in part". I know for myself on this subject, many Christians fight for their right to believe Satan was once an angel. Yet not one scripture from Genesis to Revelation ever says he was. There are some that link him to the angelic because of scriptures like " Satan and the angels"....but that's like saying "Twofeet and the Royal family".......

There are two different kinds of messengers as angels. And kinds within the kinds. The spirit of rebellion or spirit of error as the father of lies. Satan is the messenger that apposes the spirit of truth and is written as law.

The spirit of darkness (no light) His name is legion because he is many false gods.

Then there is the sons of God that we are already as believers who are subject to salvation . Then there are sons of God as administering spirits of truth sent as a living hope not subject to salvation . Spirits of truth cannot procreate new truth. They establish the truth as it is written.

I can assure you...I am no princess Associating with certain "Types" does not mean you are one. Also it says he could masquerade as an angel of light.... again, people say it was because he was one. He also, in my biblical understanding, masqueraded as a snake.... that doesn't mean he was one of them either. Other scriptures about "Cherubs fallen from heaven" are also accredited to him yet HIS NAME is never mentioned.

His name is legion for many gods make of the pagan gods of this world.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Wow, just wow. I have no words for this level of, what goes on in folks head. 2000 years of men studying and translating and preaching and teaching, a handed down teaching and some Yahoo comes on the scene and contradicts generations of thousands of scholars, and some body will climb aboard that train wreck.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

2000 years of men studying and translating and preaching and teaching, a handed down teaching and some Yahoo comes on the scene and contradicts generations of thousands of scholars, and some body will climb aboard that train wreck.

Sure hope that yahoo you are referring unto wasn't taught by the Holy Ghost seeing that it is written in John 15:26 that when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

 

[posthuman]

Sure hope that yahoo you are referring unto wasn't taught by the Holy Ghost seeing that it is written in John 15:26 that when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

pretty sure he's remarking on the OP, where for example here:

In Numbers 22, the prophet Balaam, hired to curse the Israelites, is stopped by a messenger from Israel’s God YHWH, described as “the satan” acting on God’s behalf.

the OP article calls Jesus Christ 'the satan'

for reference,

Then God’s anger was aroused because he went, and the Angel of the LORD took His stand in the way as an adversary against him. And he was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him.​

(Numbers 22:22) ​

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And the Angel of the LORD said to him, “Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out to stand against you, because your way is perverse before Me." ​

(Numbers 22:32) ​

​

here's the basis the author is making the blasphemous accusation from. the word 'satan' in Hebrew means 'adversary' -- in verse 22, The Angel of the LORD stood against Balaam as "an adversary" not as 'the satan' per the text. in verse 32 He says as much; the clause translated as 'to stand against you' is the same word as verse 22, 'ləsatan' i.e. "an adversary" -- more literally, verse 32 would read "I have come out (as) one against you because your way is perverse before Me"

the author of the OP calling Jesus the devil?
that clearly ain't speaking by the Spirit, m8. clearly not the truth.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Sure hope that yahoo you are referring unto wasn't taught by the Holy Ghost seeing that it is written in John 15:26 that when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

And he came at Pentecost.
Why would He the Holy Ghost contradict himself; what he had written in his word, what he has had generations pass down to generation?
Why would He contradict what he created?
In case it wasn't obvious I was referring to the author of the article in the op.
I shouldn't even respond to patronization at this vapid level.