Was Adam Made Holy

[reneweddaybyday]

I am speaking of no other verse than that which is in the Book of Genesis chapter 3.

Of course you won't look at any other verse ... because it doesn't fit with your scenario.

In agreement Eve was with Adam when he ate ...

My questions to you were and have been:

was Adam with Eve when satan approached her in Gen 3:1,​

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was Adam with Eve when Eve responded in Gen 3:2-3 (where she misspoke concerning what God had told Adam and if Adam was there he did not correct Eve), ​

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was Adam with Eve when satan lied in Gen 3:4 (where he said "ye shall not surely die" and that is a direct contradiction of what God had told Adam and if Adam was there he did not correct satan),​

Was Adam with Eve in Gen 3:1-5?

 

[Whispered]

Of course you won't look at any other verse ... because it doesn't fit with your scenario.

In agreement Eve was with Adam when he ate ...

My questions to you were and have been:

was Adam with Eve when satan approached her in Gen 3:1,​

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was Adam with Eve when Eve responded in Gen 3:2-3 (where she misspoke concerning what God had told Adam and if Adam was there he did not correct Eve), ​

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was Adam with Eve when satan lied in Gen 3:4 (where he said "ye shall not surely die" and that is a direct contradiction of what God had told Adam and if Adam was there he did not correct satan),​

Was Adam with Eve in Gen 3:1-5?

You're mistaken when you claim it is my scenario when what I've posted is in God's word.

To answer your last question, was Aam with Even in Genesis 3:1-5? Yes. Because in verse 6 we learn this.

Why do you believe Eve misspoke in the verses you cite above?
The Book of Genesis chapter 3:2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’”

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You're mistaken when you claim it is my scenario when what I've posted is in God's word.

To answer your last question, was Aam with Even in Genesis 3:1-5? Yes. Because in verse 6 we learn this.

And what I've posted is in God's Word, yet I do not believe Adam was with Eve when satan approached her. All verse 6 tells me is that Eve was with Adam when he ate ... not that Adam was with Eve in vss 1-5.

Why do you believe Eve misspoke in the verses you cite above?

Here's what God told Adam:

Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

Here's what Eve said to satan:

We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.​

Here's how Eve changed what God told Adam (blue = added; strike through = deleted):

Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it neither shall ye touch it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely lest ye die.​

When we change God's Word, we have nothing to stand on but shifting sands.

That's why I love the way the Lord Jesus Christ responded to the devil ... "it is written"

James 4:7-8 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you.

We resist the devil by submitting to God and drawing near to Him. eventually satan will flee, even though we may have to withstand him for a time (like Jesus did in Matt 4:1-11).

 

[posthuman]

The verse in The Book of Genesis chapter three does indicate proximity.

it's demonstrated that what you're saying is not necessarily true. it could, or it could not - the word 'with' is ambiguous in and of itself & is used with many nuanced meanings. the Hebrew style of literature throughout the Bible very often makes chronological jumps without mentioning them explicitly. we have to infer from other details & elements of the account whether it refers to simultaneity or to commonality or to something else.

Adam was not said to be the head of the woman until the fall.

The man therefore gave names unto all cattle, and to the fowl of the heaven, and to every beast of the field: but for Adam found He not an helper meet for him.​

Therefore the Lord God caused an heavy sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept: and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in stead thereof.​

And the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man, made He a woman, and brought her to the man.​

Then the man said, This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called woman, because she was taken out of the man.​

Therefore shall man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be one flesh.​

(Genesis 2:20-24)​

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she is made from him. for him. he names her.

For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. ​

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.​

(1 Corinthians 11:8-9)​

Adam and Eve were one flesh, being "married".

But I want you to understand ​

that the head of every man is Christ, ​

the head of a wife is her husband, ​

and the head of Christ is God.​

(1 Corinthians 11:3)​

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the man and his wife ​

(Genesis 2:25)​

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For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. ​

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.​

(1 Corinthians 11:8-9)​

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The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, ​

but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. ​

(Genesis 2:20-21) ​

For as the body is one and has many members, ​

but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.​

(1 Corinthians 12:12)​

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therefore doth a man leave his father and his mother, ​

and hath cleaved unto his wife, and they have become one flesh.​

(Genesis 2:24)​

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[Whispered]

it's demonstrated that what you're saying is not necessarily true. it could, or it could not - the word 'with' is ambiguous in and of itself & is used with many nuanced meanings. the Hebrew style of literature throughout the Bible very often makes chronological jumps without mentioning them explicitly. we have to infer from other details & elements of the account whether it refers to simultaneity or to commonality or to something else.

It seems to me that there is a difficulty in reading and accepting this particular scripture as written.
When people infer their ideas into other passages here is it well received? Those who would know that answer may care to share.
Meanwhile, why would it be such an issue that Adam was with Eve, as the verse says?
Would it be because Eve actually did not lead Adam to do anything, but simply offered him that of which she ate? When they'd both been there to hear the snake speak coercively so that they did eat of the forbidden fruit?

If man is thought to have been the head of the woman before the fall, which isn't in scripture, then Adam was responsible to lead Eve to proper understanding about that tree. And as head in the marriage, dissuade her from eating what God had told him not to eat.
God told Adam not to eat of the tree, in chapter 2, before Eve was created. Therefore, it was Adam's responsibility to lead the woman to understand God's command concerning the tree.
If Eve misspoke to the serpent, imagine that would be an issue given the nature of the serpent, (satan?) , that would be Adam's responsibility as the head of the marriage, and the one who was first given God's command.

The man therefore gave names unto all cattle, and to the fowl of the heaven, and to every beast of the field: but for Adam found He not an helper meet for him.

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Therefore the Lord God caused an heavy sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept: and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in stead thereof.​

And the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man, made He a woman, and brought her to the man.​

Then the man said, This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called woman, because she was taken out of the man.​

Therefore shall man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be one flesh.​

(Genesis 2:20-24)​

Yes, I know the passage. There is no mention of Adam being made head of the woman there. ​

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she is made from him. for him. he names her.

For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. ​

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.​

(1 Corinthians 11:8-9)​

But I want you to understand ​

that the head of every man is Christ, ​

the head of a wife is her husband, ​

and the head of Christ is God.​

(1 Corinthians 11:3)​

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the man and his wife ​

(Genesis 2:25)​

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For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. ​

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.​

(1 Corinthians 11:8-9)​

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The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, ​

but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. ​

(Genesis 2:20-21) ​

For as the body is one and has many members, ​

but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.​

(1 Corinthians 12:12)​

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therefore doth a man leave his father and his mother, ​

and hath cleaved unto his wife, and they have become one flesh.​

(Genesis 2:24)​

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You partially quote my post and omit scripture that supports the parts of my post and insert your own as what? Counter?
Your remarks and scripture doesn't actually do that if this is your point.

 

[PS]

No, I am asking PS if he believes God has an adversary (aka satan, aka the devil). I am uncertain whether he believes that satan exists and that it was satan who deceived Eve and who seeks to devour us in our day and time. PS has stated:

"the serpent in the woodpile were her own disobedient thoughts"​

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"if eve was not born with a disobedient nature, then she soon developed one"​

On the one hand, PS says "satan is the adversary"

On the other hand, PS says "the serpent in the woodpile were her own disobedient thoughts", "if eve was not born with a disobedient nature, then she soon developed one" as if satan did not deceive Eve.

Some people do not believe there is an adversary ... the devil ... satan. Scripture plainly tells us the devil does exist and he relentlessly attacks every good thing God designed for mankind. If we do not believe satan exists, and we think everything satan does to ensnare us is inherent within ourselves, we do not watch out for the bait satan uses to ensnare us.


I am glad and thankful that PS follows the Lord Jesus Christ ... the only way we have to overcome and become victorious over everything satan throws at us is by abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Why would anyone not believe in Satan? He is present all through the Bible, and once your eyes have been opened is active worldwide, even in the street where we live. The point is, we can choose who we serve and eve made her choice.

 

[Whispered]

And what I've posted is in God's Word, yet I do not believe Adam was with Eve when satan approached her. All verse 6 tells me is that Eve was with Adam when he ate ... not that Adam was with Eve in vss 1-5.-

Believe as you wish. The scripture says what it says in different versions. If it is taken as a narrative one can interject their own beliefs into the narrative as they wish. But why?
That would be the question. I'm not going to belabor the point.
People infer what they wish about scripture and interject their own thoughts, and that becomes an issue.
People are in accord with what is actually written word for word in a narrative and that then becomes an issue to some.

It isn't worth this much attention.
For me, the Bible's Genesis chapter 3 says what it says about Adam and Eve's encounter with the serpent. The preposition, 'with', is there in many different versions. If it were a different accounting I believe the scripture would have been written differently.
This is why in particular your remarks below in the continuation of your quoted post, are ironic considering the issue of the 'with" preposition in verse 6.
"When we change God's Word, we have nothing to stand on but shifting sands."

You and others are changing God's words when you don't accept verse 6 as written. Inferring something else must certainly be necessary to explain to your satisfaction that Adam was not with Eve when she encountered the serpent.

Here's what God told Adam:

Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

Here's what Eve said to satan:

We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.​

Here's how Eve changed what God told Adam (blue = added; strike through = deleted):

Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it neither shall ye touch it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely lest ye die.​

When we change God's Word, we have nothing to stand on but shifting sands.

That's why I love the way the Lord Jesus Christ responded to the devil ... "it is written"

James 4:7-8 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you.

We resist the devil by submitting to God and drawing near to Him. eventually satan will flee, even though we may have to withstand him for a time (like Jesus did in Matt 4:1-11).

When Adam was given the command by God not to eat of the tree, Eve was not yet created. It was Adam's responsibility alone to inform the woman.

 

[Whispered]

Why would anyone not believe in Satan? He is present all through the Bible, and once your eyes have been opened is active worldwide, even in the street where we live. The point is, we can choose who we serve and eve made her choice.

But was it Satan in the guise of the snake? One of the creatures the man was to have dominion over?
Or was Satan in service to God as a guardian Cherubim in Eden before His pride made him turn against God?
The Book of Ezekiel chapter 28:11–15 Speaks of the King of Tyre's attributes, even though they would have been past tense at that point.
What are Cherubim?

If Satan was in the serpent, when serpents had already been created by God, why would we read of Satan later in the Book of Job? As a spirit tempting the faith of Lot with God's permission? If Satan was cursed by God for tempting Adam and Eve in the garden in the guise of a serpent, and destined to live on his belly eating the dust of the earth.

Probably questions worthy of consideration in this topic.

 

[garee]

I disagree; I don't believe that the relationship between Jesus and the Father is represented by or indicative of the exemplary of between Adam and Eve.

Mankind men and woman as one creation. God from the beginning preparing for his eternal bride when two literaly will become one new creation.

Two working together in mutual submission and perfect harmony to one another was the design as made in the image of God. .

Mankind men and woman as one represent the government as the peace of God. . .The working as a father and Son .The father as the loving authority the greater position did not lord it over the Son the suffering work .Three times during the three day demonstration their relationship was challenged as a living sacrifice . No dead sacrifices. Jesus suffered unto death hell in his agony of the pouring of the wrath of the father in his suffering he cried out to the father. The father submitted and sent him spirit life all three times. Three denoting the end of a matter. We have a parallel parable using Jonas suffering the living pangs of hell. The last sign as a wonder given

I disagree; I don't see any connection between those two ideas. I think you're arguing from the assumption that men are positionally superior rather than building that view from the Scriptures.

Not superior. Position not person. Just in a greater place with a greater responsibility. The goal to strengthen the bride represented by the woman . The man represents the unseen head Christ or husband. In many cases they take that literally and put the burden on the bride.

 

[garee]

Yes, but that is not what Garee was asserting.

It is what I was trying to assert.

 

[PS]

But was it Satan in the guise of the snake? One of the creatures the man was to have dominion over?
Or was Satan in service to God as a guardian Cherubim in Eden before His pride made him turn against God?
The Book of Ezekiel chapter 28:11–15 Speaks of the King of Tyre's attributes, even though they would have been past tense at that point.
What are Cherubim?

If Satan was in the serpent, when serpents had already been created by God, why would we read of Satan later in the Book of Job? As a spirit tempting the faith of Lot with God's permission? If Satan was cursed by God for tempting Adam and Eve in the garden in the guise of a serpent, and destined to live on his belly eating the dust of the earth.

Probably questions worthy of consideration in this topic.

Satan is spirit who goes about like a roaring lion in opposition to the Holy Spirit.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Sam 16:14: But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Lk 22:3: Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot.

When Jesus enters in, Satan flees away

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Why would anyone not believe in Satan? He is present all through the Bible, and once your eyes have been opened is active worldwide, even in the street where we live. The point is, we can choose who we serve and eve made her choice.

yes ... and I thank you for clarifying for me.

Eve was deceived by satan and she believed his lies (1 Tim 2:14). The same thing goes on today. Eph 4 gives instructions to us that we be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14).

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You and others are changing God's words when you don't accept verse 6 as written.

I accept Gen 3:6 as written. I do not accept your insistence that Adam was with Eve when satan deceived Eve (Gen 3:1-5). I do agree that Eve was with Adam when Adam ate (Gen 3:6).

When Adam was given the command by God not to eat of the tree, Eve was not yet created. It was Adam's responsibility alone to inform the woman.

And you do not know that Adam did not fulfill his responsibility. We know Adam told Eve something ... otherwise when satan asked "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" she would have responded with "what are you talking about?" or "I don't know what you're talking about" or something to that effect.

You may or may not acknowledge that Eve changed God's Word from what God told Adam to:

Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it neither shall ye touch it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely lest ye die.​

I believe God spoke to Adam and Adam told Eve. Did Adam change God's Word to what Eve told satan? I don't know and you don't know either because God doesn't tell us.

What God does tell us is that Eve was deceived and Adam was not deceived (1 Tim 2:14). God tells us to keep His Word close to our hearts. Learn it. Seek out its meaning. Don't be tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine but speaking the truth in love grow up into Him in all things, which is the Head, even Christ (Eph 4:14-15).

 

[garee]

I accept Gen 3:6 as written. I do not accept your insistence that Adam was with Eve when satan deceived Eve (Gen 3:1-5). I do agree that Eve was with Adam when Adam ate (Gen 3:6).

As a law of peace if it was the responsibility of Adam to protect Eve as Christ protected the whole church as his upcoming bride. . When mankind does become one literal bride that is neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile.

Why would Adam (man) not be held responsible for the fall . Seeing it took a man to create a new bride. This is whether he was with her when they ate or not?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Why would Adam (man) not be held responsible for the fall .

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

However, we are not without hope ...

Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

 

[posthuman]

There is no mention of Adam being made head of the woman there.

For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. ​

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.​

(1 Corinthians 11:8-9)​

read Genesis 2 again.
the Spirit who breathed 1 Corinthians 11 correctly interprets Genesis 2; it is the same Spirit who breathed it also.
if we're not completely aligned with that, it's impossible we have the right interpretation of Genesis 2. if we don't have the right interpretation of Genesis 2, we don't have the right interpretation of Genesis 3, and we can't even begin to approach the question of the OP without error.

 

[crossnote]

Was Adam made Holy and did he live there in Holiness?

Define Holiness.

 

[ieuan]

Eve is made from the flesh of Adam
Adam came first and made in the image of God
Even is made in the image of man
Eve is to be a helpmeet to Adam
We are made as mirror images and are fulfilled in being one
This is God's plan

It was never intended: homosexuality and lesbianism, open marriages, fornication, adultery, drugs, alcohol, tobacco
Man, fallen man invented all those,
never intended bisexuality, trans gender, cross dressing, animal sex, not paedophilia.

All these conditions from fallen cretation.

The Christian tries to get back to what God intended, purity and love.

 

[ieuan]

Whispered said:

"There is no mention of Adam being made head of the woman . . ."

bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

It is clear then that man is to rule the woman, biblical teaching, but he must rule in love, preferring
his wife to his self.

I know it's hard for the westeren man and woman to accept this, in time the Bible will be banned
by the West, it will become hidden book. It attacks the Jewish religion, homosexuality, abortion
and evil. But man wishes to continue in sin.

Do you realise that even debate is listed as a sin by Paul the apostle to the Gentiles.

If we discuss here in an aggressive manner, revile each other, call others fools we are sinning.

 

[PS]

Eve is made from the flesh of Adam
Adam came first and made in the image of God
Even is made in the image of man
Eve is to be a helpmeet to Adam
We are made as mirror images and are fulfilled in being one
This is God's plan

It was never intended: homosexuality and lesbianism, open marriages, fornication, adultery, drugs, alcohol, tobacco
Man, fallen man invented all those,
never intended bisexuality, trans gender, cross dressing, animal sex, not paedophilia.

All these conditions from fallen cretation.

The Christian tries to get back to what God intended, purity and love.

That is wrong. When God created mankind he created them male and female.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Then later they got married.

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his WIFE: and they shall be one flesh.