Is God A Moral Monster?
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If you look at world events, and I include the Biblical record, it is usually those people who are quietly going about their everyday life, harming nobody who are attacked and killed. I do not have the words to describe these violently wicked people, but I am sure they will get what they deserve one day, meted out by a just God.
Who do I think I am? That is a huge question. "Know thyself" was one of the most important maxims of the greek world. In fact it was written on the temple of Apollo at Delphi.
However, I do have the ability to think, reason, contemplate and question. I have my own relationship to the divine that is personal.
I am able to say what speaks to me and what does not. I am not going to allow someone elses experience to usurp my experience of life whether they are modern or ancient.
God is not frightened of questioning.
Any God that would need to threaten me into a loving relationship ( which is impossible anyway, that's tyrannical) is not worthy of worship.
However, I do have the ability to think, reason, contemplate and question. I have my own relationship to the divine that is personal.
I am able to say what speaks to me and what does not. I am not going to allow someone elses experience to usurp my experience of life whether they are modern or ancient.
God is not frightened of questioning.
Any God that would need to threaten me into a loving relationship ( which is impossible anyway, that's tyrannical) is not worthy of worship.
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I could just as easily say to you that you are only believing in a God that other people have presented to you, rather than one you experience.
And what "consequences" would there be for me as I seek to know God more? That sounds like an implied threat of Christian fear again.....like I need to be scared of using my own mind.
And what "consequences" would there be for me as I seek to know God more? That sounds like an implied threat of Christian fear again.....like I need to be scared of using my own mind.
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Well said.
It has been said many times, the divide in the church, which are the faithful in Christ, arrives when the indwelling Holy Spirit is veiled by one's belief in the Bible, rather than in God that preexisted that creation of man.
We are in relationship with the greatest power in all of creation. Inexplicable as it actually exists within the limited imaginings of mind and language of the human tongue. It is all, in all and no thing that exists is other than of and within that which we call, God.
And yet, it is so easy for us to believe God is confined between the pages of a book. And only there is "he" found. And only that which is written of him is to be believed.
The question then arises, which Bible? The Catholic, with 73 books? Or the Protestant, with 66?
No, you are not to be afraid of your Father in Heaven. What many interpret as that, being scared of, is actually meant to convey reverential awe of God. Respect. The Book of 2nd Timothy chapter 1:7 For God gave us not a spirit of fearfulness; but of power and love and discipline.
The Book of 1st John chapter4:18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
It has been said many times, the divide in the church, which are the faithful in Christ, arrives when the indwelling Holy Spirit is veiled by one's belief in the Bible, rather than in God that preexisted that creation of man.
We are in relationship with the greatest power in all of creation. Inexplicable as it actually exists within the limited imaginings of mind and language of the human tongue. It is all, in all and no thing that exists is other than of and within that which we call, God.
And yet, it is so easy for us to believe God is confined between the pages of a book. And only there is "he" found. And only that which is written of him is to be believed.
The question then arises, which Bible? The Catholic, with 73 books? Or the Protestant, with 66?
No, you are not to be afraid of your Father in Heaven. What many interpret as that, being scared of, is actually meant to convey reverential awe of God. Respect. The Book of 2nd Timothy chapter 1:7 For God gave us not a spirit of fearfulness; but of power and love and discipline.
The Book of 1st John chapter4:18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
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Besides not having a clue about hermeneutics, which is probably just as well, since you don't believe the Bible, you have no comprehension of the character of God.
You keep harping that God's character is love and compassion, forgetting that justice is the other side of the same coin. You have made up a god that is palatable to you, then you attack the real God revealed in the Bible, proving (in your own mind!) that your god is a better one than the Bible, and in a feat of some kind of perverse logic, you demand that we all acknowledge the Bible is not true, because it does not conform to your made up god.
Really, your understanding of who God is, is infantile and self serving. We start with the Bible, and we pull out the character of God from the narratives, the wisdom literature, the prophets, the gospels in Jesus, and in Acts and the epistles and Revelation. Anything else is you laying your opinions on the real God, and trying to obscure who he is.
When you have read and studied the Bible over 50 times, ( like me!) plus in the original Greek and Hebrew, maybe you will have the right to share your pretentious, arrogant imaginings. Until then, you are not credible as to the truth of God found from Genesis to Revelation, a God you do not know!
You keep harping that God's character is love and compassion, forgetting that justice is the other side of the same coin. You have made up a god that is palatable to you, then you attack the real God revealed in the Bible, proving (in your own mind!) that your god is a better one than the Bible, and in a feat of some kind of perverse logic, you demand that we all acknowledge the Bible is not true, because it does not conform to your made up god.
Really, your understanding of who God is, is infantile and self serving. We start with the Bible, and we pull out the character of God from the narratives, the wisdom literature, the prophets, the gospels in Jesus, and in Acts and the epistles and Revelation. Anything else is you laying your opinions on the real God, and trying to obscure who he is.
When you have read and studied the Bible over 50 times, ( like me!) plus in the original Greek and Hebrew, maybe you will have the right to share your pretentious, arrogant imaginings. Until then, you are not credible as to the truth of God found from Genesis to Revelation, a God you do not know!
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Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. Do not let them live in your land or they will cause you to sin against Me, because the worship of their gods will certainly be a snare to you.
(Exodus 23:32-33)
they would have had the children of Israel sacrificing their children to Molech in superheated hollow metal bull-idols.by driving them out & destroying them, God - who is always good - is saving His people and sparing them from the great evil they would have done to themselves.
some people seem to think it would be an unforgivable encroachment of the holy sovereign free agency of the sacrosanct will of humankind if i were to slap the knife out of a persons hand that they are about to commit suicide with! smh
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