Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

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Dan_473 said:
That's an interesting approach, I can see its value in some cases.

If used consistently, I think it would cause a problem in this verse
Matthew 22: 44. 'The Lord said to my Lord, sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?'
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No, because that verse comes from a Psalm, which says "Yehovah said to my Master....", which I find to be more clear than "the lord said to my lord". But as I said, both usages are correct. I do not promulgate using Yehovah or LORD in any rendering that pertains to the old covenant name of God. However, I do promulgate the correct pronunciation of the name of the Messiah, which is Yeshuah. Jesus is not the name of the Messiah, it is a corruption of the original name, because of many translations and changes of how letters are pronounced over time.
 
gaviriachristian said:
The man of sin already came, it is the Roman popes, which is why the prostitute of Babylon is seated in the seven mountains of Rome, which is Vatican City, and she rules over all the kings of the earth through money, for all the central banks of the world issue her form of money to all the inhabitants of the world, which is paper money and fiat currency, and that is why when she is destroyed by the 10 nations that give their authority to the USE the entire financial system will collapse, for the "merchants of the earth will wail for her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore", because paper money and fiat currency will suddenly become worthless. This is the truth, and most people in the world already have the mark of the beast, through ignorance. It is money itself, and God has wisely chosen it to be this to condemn the world through money, and to test the inhabitants of the world to see who truly obeys the commands of God and leaves the financial system, hence "come out of her my people, so that you do not partake in her plagues".
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Might you just day come out of her (The Catholic Church) my people, so that you do not partake in her plagues.
And what plagues are these? Was the Black Death plague fulfillment of the First Bowl of Wrath?
gaviriachristian said:
No, it is money, hence the reason why Vatican City is called "prostitute".
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But the prostitute and her adulteries could signify the sexual immorality (pedophilia) that is present in the church and its subsequent cover up. This is speculation on your part. And even if the prostitute and her adulteries signify a lust for money, and only a lust for money, this does not neccessitate that the mark of the beast is money.

You have to match up all the clues?

Is money an image that breathed and spoke and caused those who would not worship it to be killed. Are people killed because they don't worship money??? Where is your answer for this?

And where is the mark of money on the forehead and right hand?
 
Dan_473 said:
I interpret the scriptures differently.

This passage says
The whole law

Galatians 5: 14. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
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I know you interpret scripture differently, but it is erroneous, which is why the Messiah said, "I didn't come to abolish the Torah". He didn't say that and then abolish the Torah 3.5 years later. It's absurd. You cannot abolish a Torah that defines all that is sin while sin still exists. Its like removing the rules for a swimming pool while people are still swimming in it. Once you remove the people, then you can remove the rules. Once sin is removed from creation then the Torah can be removed also, which will pass away with this earth. And that's also not considering the appointed times of the Torah that I just mentioned, which have yet to be fulfilled, the autumn ones, which pertain to the second coming of the Messiah. And it's precisely for this very reason that you fail to identify paper money and fiat currency as the mark of the beast, because you don't know the Torah, which defines everything that is sin. A person that doesn't know the Torah is blind, he doesn't know sin, and he doesn't know when the events regarding the Messiah are going to happen in relation to its appointed times.
 
Nebuchadnezzer said:
Might you just day come out of her (The Catholic Church) my people, so that you do not partake in her plagues.
And what plagues are these? Was the Black Death plague fulfillment of the First Bowl of Wrath?


But the prostitute and her adulteries could signify the sexual immorality (pedophilia) that is present in the church and its subsequent cover up. This is speculation on your part. And even if the prostitute and her adulteries signify a lust for money, and only a lust for money, this does not neccessitate that the mark of the beast is money.

You have to match up all the clues?

Is money an image that breathed and spoke and caused those who would not worship it to be killed. Are people killed because they don't worship money??? Where is your answer for this?

And where is the mark of money on the forehead and right hand?
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The 7 plagues of Revelation are 7 literal plagues that will happen for 7 days 22.5 days after the second coming of the Messiah.
 
gaviriachristian said:
No, because that verse comes from a Psalm, which says "Yehovah said to my Master....", which I find to be more clear than "the lord said to my lord". But as I said, both usages are correct. I do not promulgate using Yehovah or LORD in any rendering that pertains to the old covenant name of God. However, I do promulgate the correct pronunciation of the name of the Messiah, which is Yeshuah. Jesus is not the name of the Messiah, it is a corruption of the original name, because of many translations and changes of how letters are pronounced over time.
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Good points, but if one consistently renders God's name in the New testament as yeshua, then the verse from Matthew becomes
Yeshua said to my master.
 
gaviriachristian said:
I know you interpret scripture differently, but it is erroneous, which is why the Messiah said, "I didn't come to abolish the Torah". He didn't say that and then abolish the Torah 3.5 years later. It's absurd. You cannot abolish a Torah that defines all that is sin while sin still exists. Its like removing the rules for a swimming pool while people are still swimming in it. Once you remove the people, then you can remove the rules. Once sin is removed from creation then the Torah can be removed also, which will pass away with this earth. And that's also not considering the appointed times of the Torah that I just mentioned, which have yet to be fulfilled, the autumn ones, which pertain to the second coming of the Messiah. And it's precisely for this very reason that you fail to identify paper money and fiat currency as the mark of the beast, because you don't know the Torah, which defines everything that is sin. A person that doesn't know the Torah is blind, he doesn't know sin, and he doesn't know when the events regarding the Messiah are going to happen in relation to its appointed times.
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You are correct that Jesus did not come to abolish the law of Moses, he came to fulfill it.

And that's just what he did.

And Paul explains how a few decades later.
 
Dan_473 said:
Good points, but if one consistently renders God's name in the New testament as yeshua, then the verse from Matthew becomes
Yeshua said to my master.
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That is why I said "many" references to Yehovah pertain to Yeshuah, not all. For example, this prophecy speaks of Yeshuah, his second coming,

Behold, the LORD will empty the earth and make it desolate, and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
Isaiah 24:1
 
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gaviriachristian said:
The 7 plagues of Revelation are 7 literal plagues that will happen for 7 days 22.5 days after the second coming of the Messiah.
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You appear to have no answer for the image that breathed and spoke and caused those who would not worship it to be killed. I challenge you to ponder on this one and see if you can explain it with money. If not consider going back to the drawing board on what the mark of the beast is.

How interpretations goes off the rails is when a person misinterprets one thing (like mark of the beast) and then builds their subsequent interpretations on that; then all their interpretations are erroneous - like the one you just spewed here.
 
@gaviriachristian

Ya know, if you and I had discussed the year of jubilee instead of Fiat money, we might have ended up agreeing on a lot more than disagreeing.

I love the idea of land returning to its ancestral family every 50 years.

And that is definitely a way that all modern economies are violating the law of Moses.

I don't think returning land to ancestral families would work in modern times, but the concept of it is definitely something I would get behind. Some way to prevent the establishment of a permanent upper class. It's that permanent over class that brings about the oppression that intern brings about most of the suffering that you and I are both pain by as we look around the world.
 
Dan_473 said:
You are correct that Jesus did not come to abolish the law of Moses, he came to fulfill it.

And that's just what he did.

And Paul explains how a few decades later.
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He did not fulfill the Torah entirely, because the autumn appointed times of the Torah remain to be fulfilled. And not to mention that the Torah will be the very law that the Messiah will rule by, hence "for out of Zion shall go forth the Torah". So again, you are in error, and your own stubbornness makes your blindness worse, like a blind man that refuses to be helped. Fine, go fall in the ditch as you continue moping around in blindness. And the fall will indeed be great, oh my God.
 
gaviriachristian said:
That is why I said "many" references to Yehovah pertain to Yeshuah, not all. For example, this prophecy speaks of Yeshuah, his second coming,

Behold, the LORD will empty the earth and make it desolate, and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
Isaiah 24:1
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Yes, and I also said
Applied consistently

If one picks and chooses, then different results will be achieved.
 
Nebuchadnezzer said:
You appear to have no answer for the image that breathed and spoke and caused those who would not worship it to be killed. I challenge you to ponder on this one and see if you can explain it with money. If not consider going back to the drawing board on what the mark of the beast is.

How interpretations goes off the rails is when a person misinterprets one thing (like mark of the beast) and then builds their subsequent interpretations on that; then all their interpretations are erroneous - like the one you just spewed here.
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These are matters that are too complex to discuss in just a few words. I do have an explanation of what the image of the beast is. Refer to my bible study http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/12/0...the-mark-of-the-beast-and-the-meaning-of-666/
 
Dan_473 said:
@gaviriachristian

Ya know, if you and I had discussed the year of jubilee instead of Fiat money, we might have ended up agreeing on a lot more than disagreeing.

I love the idea of land returning to its ancestral family every 50 years.

And that is definitely a way that all modern economies are violating the law of Moses.

I don't think returning land to ancestral families would work in modern times, but the concept of it is definitely something I would get behind. Some way to prevent the establishment of a permanent upper class. It's that permanent over class that brings about the oppression that intern brings about most of the suffering that you and I are both pain by as we look around the world.
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That's because the Torah is intended to be how a society should be run. And it's precisely how the millennial kingdom of the Messiah will be run.
 
Dan_473 said:
Jesus did fulfill the law of Moses completely.

That's what he said he came to do.

And he was successful, he did not fail.
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No, the autumn appointed times of the Torah remain to be fulfilled. And in his 1,000 year rulership he will rule by the Torah, hence "for out of Zion shall go forth the Torah". You are as stubborn as they come.
 
gaviriachristian said:
That's because the Torah is intended to be how a society should be run. And it's precisely how the millennial kingdom of the Messiah will be run.
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I agree it shows how our ancient society based in the middle East should run.

But there would be problems here in the Northeast USA.

Don't Kindle a fire on the Sabbath? My pipes would freeze.

Require a woman to marry her rapist? No, not in our society.
 
gaviriachristian said:
No, the autumn appointed times of the Torah remain to be fulfilled. And in his 1,000 year rulership he will rule by the Torah, hence "for out of Zion shall go forth the Torah". You are as stubborn as they come.
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The entire law is fulfilled.

It is simply stated in Scripture.

That's not stubbornness, it's steadfastness.
 
Dan_473 said:
I agree it shows how our ancient society based in the middle East should run.

But there would be problems here in the Northeast USA.

Don't Kindle a fire on the Sabbath? My pipes would freeze.

Require a woman to marry her rapist? No, not in our society.
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That's because the weekly Shabbath was given to foreshadow the millennial Shabbath. And back then women are not like the women today that sleep with a new man every weekend, they were virgins until marriage. So a woman whose virginity was taken by a rapist was a woman that was no longer desirable to men, so she was better off being given into marriage to her rapist and being provided for the rest of her life because the rapist could not divorce her as opposed to being a spinster the rest of her life, which was as bad as being a widow. This is wise and intelligent.
 
2 Timothy 1: 12. For this cause I also suffer these things. Yet I am not ashamed, for I know him whom I have believed, and I am persuaded that he is able to guard that which I have committed to him against that day.

13. Hold the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

It's not stubbornness, it's holding the pattern of sound words.
 
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