Not By Works

[Pisteuo]

Yes indeed, however, that does not work for them and their "work for salvation" theology.
So they lie and argue the modern day understanding is wrong.
Sad eh, of course it takes lies to support their doctrine.

We are called by the Father to Christ. We then repent which is just turning from our way to the way of the caller. If we choose to, we then take our first step of pisteuo or Faith, faithing towards God.

What that first step is, is a genuine, personal, surrendering of our lives to Him," Christ ". Believing, that He will accept the surrendered life, we make decisions throughout our day, that show God we really have given our life and will to Him. That it's not ours anymore but His now!

This exact surrender, if we continue to choose to do so, is done in exactly the same way every day. Each day our surrendered life is being perfected by Him. it's not about a perfect surrendered life, but must be a genuine one. A half measure will avail nothing. Expecting something in return, which is kind of natural for us, will slowly fall away. We will begin to have a real personal relationship with Christ. He will secretly be perfecting our surrendered life to Him, and He will respond in secret to us.
Eventually, if the surrendered life is tested and accepted by God, He will seal in the Spirit of Christ making Christ, His word, and the promises in His word ours to compare to. His word becomes like a reflection of others who have surrendered their lives before us. We will see the reflection of our surrendered life in His world

 

[limmuwd]

Your video provides no evidence for your claim ...btw

Sorry you are unable to understand the Greek definition. But thanks for watching!

 

[fredoheaven]

That's pretty funny. I believe, actually I KNOW, it is the other way around.
Many here in this thread appear to have been taught only the modern definition.

Just a 5-minute snippet from a 4-part series I did on "metanoia", and it's Biblical meaning - Defining Repentance

It truly helps to know and understand the fullness of the ancient languages in which the Scripture was written.

Get interested in the Biblical meaning of the greek"metanoia" and what is it? no need for a 5- minute snippet of your video, what about lay down them here.

Thanks

 

[limmuwd]

Yes indeed, however, that does not work for them and their "work for salvation" theology.
So they lie and argue the modern day understanding is wrong.
Sad eh, of course it takes lies to support their doctrine.

"The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the Truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will." - 2Tim 2:24-26

"You will know them by their fruit."

 

[Pisteuo]

"The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the Truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will." - 2Tim 2:24-26

"You will know them by their fruit."

Who's you? Self appointed bond servants that have skirted the altar?

 

[limmuwd]

Get interested in the Biblical meaning of the greek"metanoia" and what is it? no need for a 5- minute snippet of your video, what about lay down them here.

Thanks

A quick suggestion to all from the Word, and a command I take to heart myself when I teach and correct those in error - "The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the Truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will." - 2Tim 2:24-26

But to answer your question, which is better understood by the snippet, or even better yet the entire 4-part 3-hour long series, I will briefly give a description of "metanoia" from the Greek understanding...

“to change one’s mind or purpose, always in the NT, involving a change for the better, an amendment, and ALWAYS of repentance from sin.
The three steps found in Met-an-o-eh-o =
1) new knowledge
2) regret for the previous course, displeasure with self,
AND
3) a change of action

A turning FROM sin, and a turning TO God.

This is the definition from the Strong's Greek Concordance, and is confirmed by Vine's and J.P. Green and every Greek scholar I've encountered, including friends who grew up in Greece.

And again, even in the definition of Repentance in our early American history, from Noah Webster himself, included action, not mere mental assent -

Repentance is the relinquishment of any practice, from conviction that it has offended God.

And in the end, it is only the Word of God that will stand, so we look at what Jesus said in the Gospels. And as we do, may we seriously take our perception of what Repent means, and see if it fits what Jesus i saying -

"Now on the same occasion there were some present who reported to Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? 3 I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4 Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” - Luke 13:1-4

God's wisdom and understanding to us all.

Peace.

 

[Lightskin]

Who's you? Self appointed bond servants that have skirted the altar?

Pistachio, I’m starting to like you. But not much so don’t get it twisted.

 

[Pisteuo]

Pistachio, I’m starting to like you. But not much so don’t get it twisted.

I thought I was feeling a little love!

 

[limmuwd]

Who's you? Self appointed bond servants that have skirted the altar?

Are you not familiar with Jesus word, of which I was quoting?

"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit." - Matt 7:16-17

Beware of the many false prophets who are among us who teach contrary to the whole of Scripture.

Indeed, their attitude and response will reveal them.

"Your speech should always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you should answer each person." - Col 4:6

Amen.

 

[VCO]

Hmmm.... Actually there is. Our modern English has dumbed down much of the Hebrew and Greek, and even the original definitions from Webster when he first wrote the Dictionary in 1828.

Have you studied the Greek as I have, and with older friends who were actually born in Greece and know the language inside and out?

Just a 5-minute snippet from a 4-part series I did on "metanoia", and it's Biblical meaning - Defining Repentance

It truly helps to know and understand the fullness of the ancient languages in which the Scripture was written.

Peace & Blessings as you press in.

Do you know there is a major difference in the meaning of GREEK spoken today, compared to the GREEK Spoken in Jesus Time ? ? ?

And that is why your Difference in MEANINGS exits.

 

[Pisteuo]

Are you not familiar with Jesus word, of which I was quoting?

"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit." - Matt 7:16-17

Beware of the many false prophets who are among us who teach contrary to the whole of Scripture.

Indeed, their attitude and response will reveal them.

"Your speech should always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you should answer each person." - Col 4:6

Amen.

Very.
When you told me you received the Spirit of Christ by " believing" in God's word, you were really saying His word isn't yours yet. And what's worse , is your setting yourself up to be a gifted teacher, of which I've known one ,and it's neither of us! I appreciate your calm demeanor, but that kind of makes it worse.

There's no doubt you are being called out to Christ by the Father, I see that in spades. But you have to learn what real Faith and faithing into God really means. I hope for nothing but God's best for you.

 

[fredoheaven]

A quick suggestion to all from the Word, and a command I take to heart myself when I teach and correct those in error - "The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the Truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will." - 2Tim 2:24-26

But to answer your question, which is better understood by the snippet, or even better yet the entire 4-part 3-hour long series, I will briefly give a description of "metanoia" from the Greek understanding...

“to change one’s mind or purpose, always in the NT, involving a change for the better, an amendment, and ALWAYS of repentance from sin.
The three steps found in Met-an-o-eh-o =
1) new knowledge
2) regret for the previous course, displeasure with self,
AND
3) a change of action

A turning FROM sin, and a turning TO God.

This is the definition from the Strong's Greek Concordance, and is confirmed by Vine's and J.P. Green and every Greek scholar I've encountered, including friends who grew up in Greece.

And again, even in the definition of Repentance in our early American history, from Noah Webster himself, included action, not mere mental assent -

Repentance is the relinquishment of any practice, from conviction that it has offended God.

And in the end, it is only the Word of God that will stand, so we look at what Jesus said in the Gospels. And as we do, may we seriously take our perception of what Repent means, and see if it fits what Jesus i saying -

"Now on the same occasion there were some present who reported to Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? 3 I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4 Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” - Luke 13:1-4

God's wisdom and understanding to us all.

Peace.

So where is the biblical definition of repentance? You have stressed Strong, Vine, JP Green, and even Webster but this definition came from men. I have such respect for them but not altogether definitive. I have to agree with 'changed mind', however, a change for the better, an amendment in some context would be fine but saying 'ALWAYS of repentance from sin' is quite incorrect.

Acts 20:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

“Repent, as Christ meant it to be in terms of salvation, means to change your mind from trusting in what you can do for God to trusting only in what He can do for you.”

 

[Noose]

What's your point ? I have no idea where you are going with this line of thought. What does this have to do with a correct understanding of pisteuo used 248 times in the NT?

Surrendering is ok but the correct understanding of it should be consistent. It doesn't apply only from certain age but all are in need of a savior.

Look at this:

Rom 8:
18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that h the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.

The universe also waits/ trusts/ believes/obeys/hopes - The universe also has faith (pisteou) in the sons of God and surrenders daily.

 

[Pisteuo]

Surrendering is ok but the correct understanding of it should be consistent. It doesn't apply only from certain age but all are in need of a savior.

Look at this:

Rom 8:
18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that h the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.

The universe also waits/ trusts/ believes/obeys/hopes - The universe also has faith (pisteou) in the sons of God and surrenders daily.

I'll let the NT writers know that.
As for the rest of the post, I just don't have a desire to figure it out with you .

 

[Noose]

Nice try, but false as usual......another word, words or phrase(s)that accurately describes your gospel would be.....falseology, fakeums, not happenin.......hah Man....in all honesty, your gospel puts salvation squarely on your back, allows you to boast, states clearly that Jesus is not enough, denies the three verb tenses of salvation, justification and sanctification, denies the definitions of eternal, everlasting, is having, has, are, amd numerous other truths, context(s), words, phrases etc.... a wallking, talking biblical contradiction man.....serious....

Which one of those are promises because the bible keeps referring to God's promises that we should look forward to.

About tenses; let them not destruct you because existence is like a circle with the beginning and the end sharing the same point. For the creator, He declares the end from the beginning, so to Him there's no difference. But you who sojourns the circle, you can do nothing but wait and hope.

When He says, those that He predestined He called, those that He called He justified and those that He justified He glorified.

When you pick 1/2/3 (Predestined/called/justified/sanctified) because of their tenses, why don't you also pick glorified because of its tense. Are you glorified? When one stands victorious in the very end, then all these things will apply.

 

[limmuwd]

Very.
When you told me you received the Spirit of Christ by " believing" in God's word, you were really saying His word isn't yours yet. And what's worse , is your setting yourself up to be a gifted teacher, of which I've known one ,and it's neither of us! I appreciate your calm demeanor, but that kind of makes it worse.

There's no doubt you are being called out to Christ by the Father, I see that in spades. But you have to learn what real Faith and faithing into God really means. I hope for nothing but God's best for you.

I appreciate your reply. However, I state only what the Living Word has revealed from the written Word.
And while the Truth (the message of Repentance & Righteousness) that I, and others, teach is contrary to much modern popular theology, it indeed is in line with the Scripture. This Word only comes by faith, and the daily surrender/denial of self. Remember such a teaching by Messiah Jesus caused "many of His disciples to turn away and follow Him no more." (John 6:66) If Jesus has preached anything even close to what so many believe today, why would most of His disciples turn away? Truly if Messiah Jesus walked into most churches today and preached as He did in the Gospels, He would be chased out of the assemblies. For He taught Repentance and Baptism and Denial of self, and that we must obey and walk worthy, if the Father is to love us and come unto us.

Jesus suffered greatly for preaching righteousness. The Apostles were martyred for teaching we must "repent" and "walk worthy."
Indeed, "The Lord is far from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous." (Prov 15:29) And that being "wicked" or "righteous" is what we DO, not what we believe.

So, the Lord warns us who preach "repentance" and "righteousness" that we will hated by the religious crowd, so I fret not. Rather I let it drive me deeper into fellowship with the Lord. Amen.

"But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you are blessed. “And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.” 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed." - 1Pet 3:14-16

And, as always, I am ready to give an answer.

 

[limmuwd]

Surrendering is ok but the correct understanding of it should be consistent. It doesn't apply only from certain age but all are in need of a savior.

Look at this:

Rom 8:
18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that h the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.

The universe also waits/ trusts/ believes/obeys/hopes - The universe also has faith (pisteou) in the sons of God and surrenders daily.

Amen brother. You have understanding beyond most.

I may have said this before... but you have touched on one of my most favorite portions of Scripture, Romans 8 !

Recently spent 6 months teaching on that single chapter alone at our church here in SoCal.

I cover in-depth verses 16-22 here -
Romans 8 Study (part 12) INHERITANCE & SUFFERING (covering verses 16-21) and Romans 8 Study (part 13) RULERSHIP (looking at verses 19-22)

Continued blessings and peace to you.

 

[limmuwd]

So where is the biblical definition of repentance? You have stressed Strong, Vine, JP Green, and even Webster but this definition came from men. I have such respect for them but not altogether definitive. I have to agree with 'changed mind', however, a change for the better, an amendment in some context would be fine but saying 'ALWAYS of repentance from sin' is quite incorrect.

Acts 20:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

“Repent, as Christ meant it to be in terms of salvation, means to change your mind from trusting in what you can do for God to trusting only in what He can do for you.”

The quote in red above... where is that in the Scripture? I have 27 translations of the Word, including the New Testament Greek. And I KNOW it's not Bible. Perhaps an editor's footnote? If it's not the Word, then it's not the Word, but a false definition from a mortal man.
I reject it, as it contradicts the canon of Scripture.

 

[Pisteuo]

I appreciate your reply. However, I state only what the Living Word has revealed from the written Word.
And while the Truth (the message of Repentance & Righteousness) that I, and others, teach is contrary to much modern popular theology, it indeed is in line with the Scripture. This Word only comes by faith, and the daily surrender/denial of self. Remember such a teaching by Messiah Jesus caused "many of His disciples to turn away and follow Him no more." (John 6:66) If Jesus has preached anything even close to what so many believe today, why would most of His disciples turn away? Truly if Messiah Jesus walked into most churches today and preached as He did in the Gospels, He would be chased out of the assemblies. For He taught Repentance and Baptism and Denial of self, and that we must obey and walk worthy, if the Father is to love us and come unto us.

Jesus suffered greatly for preaching righteousness. The Apostles were martyred for teaching we must "repent" and "walk worthy."
Indeed, "The Lord is far from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous." (Prov 15:29) And that being "wicked" or "righteous" is what we DO, not what we believe.

So, the Lord warns us who preach "repentance" and "righteousness" that we will hated by the religious crowd, so I fret not. Rather I let it drive me deeper into fellowship with the Lord. Amen.

"But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you are blessed. “And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.” 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed." - 1Pet 3:14-16

And, as always, I am ready to give an answer.

You kind of make the continually surrendered life to be an afterthought. Faith " is " a Continually surrendered life and a life inspired by such surrender. Not a life inspired by obedience and righteousness. The obedience and righteousness comes from Him as the result of ever increasing Faith, ever increasing pisteuo, an ever increasing surrendered life. You won't have to preach repentance and righteousness, it will flow from you. His nature , His obedience, His righteousness will flow from us as the result of true saving Faith.

 

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