Prayer of the Arminian, Charles Spurgeon
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speak for yourself
we are not all dumbos with coke bottle glasses sitting on the edge of our bed trying to muster up strength to look for work
you don't know what you are talking about
in fact, it's getting worse
David...smart, brave and a great leader
Abraham...rich and kept getting richer, intelligent and brave
Paul (Saul)...highly educated...to the 9th degree in fact
and so many many more
God often seems to make the strong weaker and confounds the wise, but He certainly can and does use even a genius if He wants to
If the salvation in your statement is referring to eternal salvation, you will not find a scripture in the bible that states (eternal) salvation is for all who will believe on Christ. John 3:16 says all who believeth, not will believe. God so loved the world of those who believerh is the correct meaning of this scripture. Thayer's Greek interpretation of the word "World" in this scripture means; Any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sorts. Used of believers only. Also the same meaning of world in the following verses; John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.
There are far too many scriptures where God tells us to make choices in the things to deny that God has given man a free will to choose how he wants to live his life as he sojourns here in this world, but God is sovereign in choosing our eternal destination, without the choice of man. Not of man's works, lest any should boast. Man's free will has been his downfall. Romans 3:10-11-12, As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They have all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. This is why God choose an elect people before the foundation of the world and had his Son to be a sacrifice for their sins.
Are you here to discuss scriptures, or to just state what you believe and expect people to accept it without discussing it? I thought this particular forum was set up for the purpose of discussing the scriptures. Does it upset you for someone to disagree with you? You don't mind discussing scripture with the weird beliefs of the salvation by works people.. I had you pecked as a person who would defend your beliefs against apposing scriptures, guess I was wrong. I have enjoyed discussing the scriptures with you.
The risk I take in discussing things with someone who claims to be Reformed, yet holds weird ideas, is that I become identified with their weird ideas that Reformed theology doesn't teach.
For instance, if you claim that people are being regenerated outside of a preaching of the gospel, without a knowledge of Christ, then some will think that is acceptable Reformed theology. And it certainly is not. There is no salvation outside of Jesus.
You also tried to claim that salvation was not talking about spiritual salvation in some verses that I'm confident are addressing salvation. Of course, I agree that the word "salvation" can be used in that sense especially in regards to ancient Israel and salvation from their enemies which was typological of spiritual salvation.
So, I am left wondering what's up with that. I don't really care to engage in conversations about weird ideas with someone who claims to be Reformed. It is time consuming to untangle weird ideas that people may have.
And, I'm pretty sure you're a Primitive Baptist. While they are probably not heretical, they are a bit cultic.
For instance, if you claim that people are being regenerated outside of a preaching of the gospel, without a knowledge of Christ, then some will think that is acceptable Reformed theology. And it certainly is not. There is no salvation outside of Jesus.
You also tried to claim that salvation was not talking about spiritual salvation in some verses that I'm confident are addressing salvation. Of course, I agree that the word "salvation" can be used in that sense especially in regards to ancient Israel and salvation from their enemies which was typological of spiritual salvation.
So, I am left wondering what's up with that. I don't really care to engage in conversations about weird ideas with someone who claims to be Reformed. It is time consuming to untangle weird ideas that people may have.
And, I'm pretty sure you're a Primitive Baptist. While they are probably not heretical, they are a bit cultic.
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Or..don't bring up controversial stuff, and realize that if you do, I won't answer you. Such as claiming people are saved outside of the context of the gospel, faith and repentance. This is not a Reformed view. The Father elects, the Son atones, and the Holy Spirit regenerates and applies the benefits of salvation to the elect.
I apologize. I thought I had answered that question, but I checked back through my posts and could not find it. I typed it out, but I must have not hit "post". I was raised in a primitive baptist church, but never was able to understand the doctrine, probably because I was too busy playing to pay attention. When I graduated high school and went to college, I never went back to church. At age 50 I had a problem with "seemingly" contradicting scriptures, mostly the salvation scriptures. I decided that I was smart enough, that if I bought a Strong's concordance and studied hard enough, I could figure it out. At the age 62 I finally gave up and decided that I was not smart enough. A short period of time after that I had given up, the scriptures began to harmonize and I went back and joined the Primitive baptist church. I am now 85 yrs old and have been a deacon for the past 18 years. I really thought I had posted this, but was mistaken.
It's like all you want is some opportunity to condemn others who are not Calvinists. Do you really hate all who are not Calvinists?
The reformation was not about Calvinism. Calvinism was a response to Arminianism which was seen as Catholicism.
Just because I read his book does not mean I embrace anything beyond the books teaching in light of scripture.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The reformation was not about Calvinism. Calvinism was a response to Arminianism which was seen as Catholicism.
Just because I read his book does not mean I embrace anything beyond the books teaching in light of scripture.
For the cause of Christ
Roger