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28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring.’
Acts 17:18
I am in Him and He in me and my effort do not save me or keep me saved.
How blessed we are those that understand the source of our faith, knowing we are unconditionally loved and we live in Him and He in us..... so powerful is this it blows my mind!!
Acts 17:18
I am in Him and He in me and my effort do not save me or keep me saved.
How blessed we are those that understand the source of our faith, knowing we are unconditionally loved and we live in Him and He in us..... so powerful is this it blows my mind!!
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Verse 19 takes care of your concerns and context but verse 18 says what it says. One righteous act resulted in justification and life for all men. So, if all men are not victorious then they must have lost what they were freely given.
If you want a bible that says Jesus died for men in Christ only then you need to write your own because earlier in the same chapter, it is clear that Christ died for the ungodly, which means everyone.
Vs 6-8 debunks your false theology of Christ justifying only a few.
6For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7For rarely will anyone to die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1 John 2:2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
If you want a bible that says Jesus died for men in Christ only then you need to write your own because earlier in the same chapter, it is clear that Christ died for the ungodly, which means everyone.
Vs 6-8 debunks your false theology of Christ justifying only a few.
6For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7For rarely will anyone to die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1 John 2:2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
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@UnderGrace, there are a couple of passages from Scripture that I don't know how I should unite them. Particularly Matthew 6:14-15 and Ephesians 4:31-32.
Matthew 6:14-15:
" For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Ephesians 4:31-32:
"Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."
I am not sure how to put these passages together. Is there something in the Greek that may clarify?
Matthew 6:14-15:
" For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Ephesians 4:31-32:
"Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."
I am not sure how to put these passages together. Is there something in the Greek that may clarify?
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So what are you trying to teach here? Are you saying anyone who calls Jesus Lord is eternally saved? Is faith, calling Jesus Lord?
Let's have a comparison between Zacchaeus and the rich young ruler (RYR)
1. They both called Jesus Lord but the RYR was not considered righteous; means that calling Jesus Lord doesn't mean anything.
2. Zacchaeus did not keep the law, the RYR kept the law and was loved by Jesus but was not considered righteous still. So law keeping doesn't matter either.
3. Jesus on answering the RYR about what he needs to do to inherit the kingdom, told him to sell his possessions and give the poor to inherit the kingdom or be considered righteous. The RYR did not and therefore was not considered righteous. Zacchaeus gave back what he had to the poor and salvation (righteousness) came to him and his household.
So clearly, the kind of salvation you are teaching is not what Jesus or the Apostles taught.
Let's have a comparison between Zacchaeus and the rich young ruler (RYR)
1. They both called Jesus Lord but the RYR was not considered righteous; means that calling Jesus Lord doesn't mean anything.
2. Zacchaeus did not keep the law, the RYR kept the law and was loved by Jesus but was not considered righteous still. So law keeping doesn't matter either.
3. Jesus on answering the RYR about what he needs to do to inherit the kingdom, told him to sell his possessions and give the poor to inherit the kingdom or be considered righteous. The RYR did not and therefore was not considered righteous. Zacchaeus gave back what he had to the poor and salvation (righteousness) came to him and his household.
So clearly, the kind of salvation you are teaching is not what Jesus or the Apostles taught.
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But justification is for all men and not just a few.
Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.
Rom 5:18Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.
Titus 3:
3For at one time we too were foolish, disobedient, led astray, and enslaved to all sorts of desires and pleasures—living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. 6This is the Spirit He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by His grace, we would become heirs with the hope of eternal life. 8This saying is trustworthy. And I want you to emphasize these things, so that those who have believed God will take care to devote themselves to good deeds. These things are excellent and profitable for the people.
Titus 2:11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.
Rom 5:18Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.
Titus 3:
3For at one time we too were foolish, disobedient, led astray, and enslaved to all sorts of desires and pleasures—living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. 6This is the Spirit He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by His grace, we would become heirs with the hope of eternal life. 8This saying is trustworthy. And I want you to emphasize these things, so that those who have believed God will take care to devote themselves to good deeds. These things are excellent and profitable for the people.
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Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the HOPE of eternal life (Titus 3:7).
For the believer who has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life (John 5:24) their hope is real certainty, even though we do not see its fulfillment just yet in regards to receiving our glorified bodies. (Romans 8:24-25)
Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.
For the believer who has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life (John 5:24) their hope is real certainty, even though we do not see its fulfillment just yet in regards to receiving our glorified bodies. (Romans 8:24-25)
Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.
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Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the HOPE of eternal life (Titus 3:7).
For the believer who has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life (John 5:24) their hope is real certainty, even though we do not see its fulfillment just yet in regards to receiving our glorified bodies. (Romans 8:24-25)
Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.
For the believer who has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life (John 5:24) their hope is real certainty, even though we do not see its fulfillment just yet in regards to receiving our glorified bodies. (Romans 8:24-25)
Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.
Jesus is our Living Hope
...xox...
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Once again, in context, all men in Adam and all men in Christ. All men in Adam are condemned and all men in Christ are justified. (Romans 5:16-19)
The victory is in Jesus (John 16:33; 1 Corinthians 15:57; 1 John 5:4) and not in ourselves. Unbelievers stand condemned (John 3:18) and have not received the gift of eternal life so how can they lose what they don't have? Your doctrine is a train wreck.
My Bible reads just fine. It's your misinterpretation of the Bible that's the problem. Christ did die for the ungodly, which means everyone, but that does not mean everyone is automatically saved. Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.. *Not all are believers. *Not everyone has faith.
Not at all and verses 16-19 debunks your false theology of Christ justifying everyone (believers and unbelievers alike).
Jesus died for the sins of the world and His sacrifice atones for the sins of the world, yet that does not mean the whole world is automatically saved. The result was justification and life for (believers) those who are in Christ (Romans 5:17) and not automatically for everyone. (Acts 13:39; Romans 3:26; 5:1; 6:23; 8:1 etc..). You need to find a new church.
The victory is in Jesus (John 16:33; 1 Corinthians 15:57; 1 John 5:4) and not in ourselves. Unbelievers stand condemned (John 3:18) and have not received the gift of eternal life so how can they lose what they don't have? Your doctrine is a train wreck.
My Bible reads just fine. It's your misinterpretation of the Bible that's the problem. Christ did die for the ungodly, which means everyone, but that does not mean everyone is automatically saved. Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.. *Not all are believers. *Not everyone has faith.
Not at all and verses 16-19 debunks your false theology of Christ justifying everyone (believers and unbelievers alike).
Jesus died for the sins of the world and His sacrifice atones for the sins of the world, yet that does not mean the whole world is automatically saved. The result was justification and life for (believers) those who are in Christ (Romans 5:17) and not automatically for everyone. (Acts 13:39; Romans 3:26; 5:1; 6:23; 8:1 etc..). You need to find a new church.
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In context and out of context, still all men means all men (world). No such thing as all men in Adam. And your contradiction is not helping your doctrine.
If His sacrifice atones for the sins of the whole world then the result means the sins of the world were atoned for (justification for all). And yes i agree, it doesn't mean all men are victorious, it means only those that work out their salvation in fear and trembling and endure to the end will be victorious.
If His sacrifice atones for the sins of the whole world then the result means the sins of the world were atoned for (justification for all). And yes i agree, it doesn't mean all men are victorious, it means only those that work out their salvation in fear and trembling and endure to the end will be victorious.
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Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the HOPE of eternal life (Titus 3:7).
For the believer who has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life (John 5:24) their hope is real certainty, even though we do not see its fulfillment just yet in regards to receiving our glorified bodies. (Romans 8:24-25)
Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.
For the believer who has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life (John 5:24) their hope is real certainty, even though we do not see its fulfillment just yet in regards to receiving our glorified bodies. (Romans 8:24-25)
Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.