3 Tactics Calvinists Use Against Non-Calvinists
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Joshua 24:15
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"If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
I agree. God would know for whom His doctrine of grace would resonate. He knew people would respond to the invitation of reconcilliation, which is why He extended His grace to the world. What the Unconditional Election proponents argue is that man was simply malliable clay that was created to be damned, totally immoral, yet was pre-selected by that same creator to become what that creator wanted them to be.
And conversely, of course, that same creator pre-selected whom he would let go to the Hell he opened to receive them, with the foreknowledge of that population by name as well.
That is why faith, as defined by UE is not actually faith but manipulation and programming of a vessel that was first made unable to hold faith or come to righteousness or to demonstrate morality at all as themselves.
Therefore with that deficit in place anything of a positive nature would have to be God's doing entirely. Because the creature He pre-selected was made incapable in and of themselves. Picture puppet on a string. And a funnel that feeds into that puppets head understanding as its creator now wills for it.
It doesn't come to faith on its own because it is incapable. It is brought into grace not by hearing the word that we're told shall set us free, but by its creator taking it from one state of immoral bondage into one that is deemed elect bondage. Still though, that creature is not capable of anything its creator does not allow or install.
Were that actually able to be supported by scripture, were it able to actually be in harmony with the Gospels, the words, whosoever believeth, because it doesn't say, the elect that are led unto belief, would not have cause to be inspired by God unto us. No words pertaining to faith or choice would.
But they do.
I'm just trying to understand why we need to call ourselves "calvinist" or "non-calvinist,"
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All men are in the natural state until they hear and believe. Election and foreordination occur when the natural man is converted by God. God knows who will and who won't but God does not make a man believe nor does God make a man reject.
Adam chose to sin. Able chose to obey. Cain chose to reject. The will of God was accomplished in each person. God could have shielded Adam and restarted the human race quite easily but for His glory He ordained that He would redeem man unto Himself.
Ephesians 1:3-14
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Adam chose to sin. Able chose to obey. Cain chose to reject. The will of God was accomplished in each person. God could have shielded Adam and restarted the human race quite easily but for His glory He ordained that He would redeem man unto Himself.
Ephesians 1:3-14
For the cause of Christ
Roger
"Jesus was not Calvinist either."
Do you know anything about John MacArthur? His ministry? His passion in the pulpit, as example?
Do you know anything about John MacArthur? His ministry? His passion in the pulpit, as example?
I know all about MacArthur. I don't agree with everything he says....but we aren't too far apart.
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You use no scripture. Which is what I requested of you. I didn't ask you to judge a brother, I asked you to defend your remarks concerning that.
See here? The brothers post:
Your response in post# 368 Whether you admit it or not you theory is eternal salvation by your works indicated by your comments.
My request for you to clarify in post#384 : "Please provide proofs to support your charge. Detailed with scripture in context please. Thank you in advance. "
See here? The brothers post:
Your response in post# 368 Whether you admit it or not you theory is eternal salvation by your works indicated by your comments.
My request for you to clarify in post#384 : "Please provide proofs to support your charge. Detailed with scripture in context please. Thank you in advance. "
I'm just trying to understand why we need to call ourselves "calvinist" or "non-calvinist,"
We are in Christ who are temples of God's Holy Spirit.
People who adhere to a particular Doctrine identify typically by that Doctrine. Calvinist, Anabaptist, Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Calvinist, etc...
Others say they are members of the Way of Christ, or simply, The Way. Some identify as the Apostles did. Bretheren, Sisters, Saints, the Elect, (having no semblance of relationship with Calvinism's definition of that identity). Others just go with Christian. One woman I met years ago identified as Gnostic Christian.
Ours is a relationship with the Almighty Holy Spirit. We are His , as there really is no gender, so Hers works for some as well, children. His-Her, daughters and sons.
We could say of our self, I am a daughter of God, I am a son of God. I'm a flapjack aligned with the greatest source of eternal unending maple syrup, just to see if the listener is really paying attention.
It's personal after all. Eternity, loves you! YOU! That's a blessed truth that has always been.