Did Jesus and Paul teach differnt gospels?
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Yes, that is why I need God's mercy. Yet neither of these facts, guilt or mercy cancel out His law aka the law of liberty:
James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”
James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”
Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"
James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”
James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”
Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"
On their teachings of "Moses" not their own man made laws and ways.
Matthew 23:1-5, " 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long,
You teist so much of what Jesus says into half truths and loopholes.
Mark 7:1-9, " 1 Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem, 2 they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly, holding to the tradition of the elders, 4 and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” 6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ 8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.” 9 And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
Matthew 23:1-5, " 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long,
You teist so much of what Jesus says into half truths and loopholes.
Mark 7:1-9, " 1 Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem, 2 they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly, holding to the tradition of the elders, 4 and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” 6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ 8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.” 9 And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
So exactly what passage are you taking about here? So I may knoew what you are taliknmg about, one of these or anothier?
Matthew 19:16-22, " 16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Luke 12:22-34, " 22 And he said to his disciples, “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat, nor about your body, what you will put on. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. 24 Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds! 25 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 26 If then you are not able to do as small a thing as that, why are you anxious about the rest? 27 Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28 But if God so clothes the grass, which is alive in the field today, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith! 29 And do not seek what you are to eat and what you are to drink, nor be worried. 30 For all the nations of the world seek after these things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31 Instead, seek his kingdom, and these things will be added to you. 32 “Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Matthew 19:16-22, " 16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Luke 12:22-34, " 22 And he said to his disciples, “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat, nor about your body, what you will put on. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. 24 Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds! 25 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 26 If then you are not able to do as small a thing as that, why are you anxious about the rest? 27 Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28 But if God so clothes the grass, which is alive in the field today, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith! 29 And do not seek what you are to eat and what you are to drink, nor be worried. 30 For all the nations of the world seek after these things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31 Instead, seek his kingdom, and these things will be added to you. 32 “Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Effective commands:
Matthew 22:36-40, " 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
John 12:48, “He who rejects Me (Jesus), and does not follow My (Jesus) words has One Who judges him. The word that I (Jesus) have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
but you said Paul told you different so you can ignore Jesus am I correct?
Matthew 22:36-40, " 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
John 12:48, “He who rejects Me (Jesus), and does not follow My (Jesus) words has One Who judges him. The word that I (Jesus) have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
but you said Paul told you different so you can ignore Jesus am I correct?
My point is that it is more than a mental or verbal ascent/declaration. It is this:
John 15:5-16, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you.”
You can't tell me those who are "thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned." are saved.
It is about abiding in Jesus. Period. And we do not abide in Him by simple words or thoughts.
John 15:5, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me------."
1 John 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."
Now I donlt think 100% perefectly, but we must be conformed to His way, His example, His teaching, His LOVE.
If you wish to call me justified by works (I disagree with this but) I ask you FULLY explain that abide passabe to me from John 15
John 15:5-16, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you.”
You can't tell me those who are "thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned." are saved.
It is about abiding in Jesus. Period. And we do not abide in Him by simple words or thoughts.
John 15:5, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me------."
1 John 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."
Now I donlt think 100% perefectly, but we must be conformed to His way, His example, His teaching, His LOVE.
If you wish to call me justified by works (I disagree with this but) I ask you FULLY explain that abide passabe to me from John 15
I agree with a lot of what you say here , but I have to ask this "deep personal conviction" does this mean one gives up their desire to walk in His or is that not needed/justified by works/or something else?
ALso lets not act like "preserve it for everlasting life" is not a clear part of the verse;
John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates (lovers less) his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”
ALso lets not act like "preserve it for everlasting life" is not a clear part of the verse;
John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates (lovers less) his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”
I think you are isolating "the fathers will" as to ognore EXACTLY what the "will" is.
If you know the word, and it appears you do, and well, you would then know this verse and I assume it prominent importance;
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, " 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require (judge) it of him."
this is the Father's will, if we believe Jesus we would also believe HIS WORDS:
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
If it is simply believe that "He is" that goes 100% what you said before, not saying you take this stance, but it can;t be "deeply personal" without following Jesus right?
I don;t disagree with what you say here but if I was to say it to me that is only PART of it.
Matthew 7:21-23, " 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Since they say "‘Lord, Lord," it is clear they believe they are His, and this shows since they BELIEVE they are His it is more than a belief that He is Lord to truly be His.
I know Im super crazy for actually having the never to post Jesus words because the disciples of Paul will cal me names, but here goes:
John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Now maybe you can explain to me how "practiced" and "practiced" does nto actually mean that. I hope you don;t attempt this.
If you know the word, and it appears you do, and well, you would then know this verse and I assume it prominent importance;
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, " 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require (judge) it of him."
this is the Father's will, if we believe Jesus we would also believe HIS WORDS:
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
If it is simply believe that "He is" that goes 100% what you said before, not saying you take this stance, but it can;t be "deeply personal" without following Jesus right?
I don;t disagree with what you say here but if I was to say it to me that is only PART of it.
Matthew 7:21-23, " 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Since they say "‘Lord, Lord," it is clear they believe they are His, and this shows since they BELIEVE they are His it is more than a belief that He is Lord to truly be His.
I know Im super crazy for actually having the never to post Jesus words because the disciples of Paul will cal me names, but here goes:
John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Now maybe you can explain to me how "practiced" and "practiced" does nto actually mean that. I hope you don;t attempt this.
Ahh see this is where I take issue, so you are telling me Paul has a different gospel. If Paul taught things Jesus and the 12 did not that means Paul has a differrnt gospel.
God says to obey Jesus, Jesus says to obey Jesus, the 12 say to obey Jesus.
Paul is the only one that says he is an apostle of Jesus, NOT a single person says it other than him. So when peopel tell me Paul had a differnt gospel, I know who my King is, it is Jesus.
This is the root of the issue, people say follow Paul.
John 5:39-40, “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
God says to obey Jesus, Jesus says to obey Jesus, the 12 say to obey Jesus.
Paul is the only one that says he is an apostle of Jesus, NOT a single person says it other than him. So when peopel tell me Paul had a differnt gospel, I know who my King is, it is Jesus.
This is the root of the issue, people say follow Paul.
John 5:39-40, “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
You say that you agree works do not save out of one side of your mouth, but out of the other side of your mouth, I'm hearing something different. You are quoting a lot of the same verses that people who do teach salvation by works (like Roman Catholics, Mormons and SDA's) quote. You put a heavy emphasis, specifically on the words of Jesus in the 4 gospel account that involve keeping His commandments, works etc.. You don't seem to put very much emphasis on the writings of the apostle Paul, which is raising a red flag. Are you in involved in some type of Hebrew Roots movement? 
Anyone who does not put HIS WORDS over all others is in rebellion against God, we have direct command to put Jesus words above all others:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, " 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require (judge) it of him."
and Jesus agrees:
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
as does Peter:
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
I have been called all the thing you mentioned and more. No I am not any of those things, I believe in going off what authenticaed speakers of God say. Those that pass the test given from the mouth of God, many are in error because they do not use God measure. If you toss Jesus out for Paul, how can you follow Jesus? Let me guess you follow Jesus by not following Him but putting another in between you and Jesus?
John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."
1 Corinthians 4:15-16, “You may have 10,000 mentors who work for the Messiah, but not many fathers (G3962 patér). For in the Messiah Jesus I have begotten* you through the gospel. So I urge you to imitate me.”
Matthew 23:9, “And call no man your father (G3962 patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.”
“*begotten 1 Corinthians 4:15-16” is word #G1080 gennaó: to beget, to bring forth, Original Word: γεννάω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: gennaó, Phonetic Spelling: (ghen-nah'-o), Short Definition: I beget, bring forth, give birth to, Definition: I beget (of the male), (of the female) I bring forth, give birth to.
John 13:15, “For I (Jesus) gave you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.”
Philippians 3:17-18, “Join together in imitating me (Paul), brothers, and pay close attention to those who live by the example we have given you. For I have often told you, and now tell you even with tears, that many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.”
1 Peter 2:21, “This is, in fact, what you were called to do, because Christ also suffered for you and left an example for you to follow in His steps.”
1 John 2:6, “The one who says that he abides in him must live the same way he (Jesus) himself lived.”
2 Timothy 1:13-15, "Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me (Paul), in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you. You are aware that all who are in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes.”
John 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
Yep, to me its most fascinating how people are so inconsistent in their doctrine. When they need to, they stick to Pauline doctrine. When they need to at other topics, they will insist that Paul does not have a different doctrine from the doctrine in the 4 Gospels.
Right now, both them and you are just ping ponging between Paul and what Jesus said in the 4 Gospels. As expected, it will be a stand off since no one is really addressing the other side.
Right now, both them and you are just ping ponging between Paul and what Jesus said in the 4 Gospels. As expected, it will be a stand off since no one is really addressing the other side.
1. none will have salvation without God's mercy.
2. You filter Jesus words through the self appointed apostel Paul, whom NONE testify that he is an apostle other than himself, if you can show me a single time anyone else says he is an apostle i will repent of saying that.
3. No I donlt find it strange becasue the people Jesus was talking to never saw Jesus in that state.
4. Yes I believe works are the manifestation of REAL faith, the kind of faith that God wants from us and that makes up seek His way, not our own way.
2. You filter Jesus words through the self appointed apostel Paul, whom NONE testify that he is an apostle other than himself, if you can show me a single time anyone else says he is an apostle i will repent of saying that.
3. No I donlt find it strange becasue the people Jesus was talking to never saw Jesus in that state.
4. Yes I believe works are the manifestation of REAL faith, the kind of faith that God wants from us and that makes up seek His way, not our own way.
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You may be correct, probably are, but to me this proves that, and I already know from my own studied, that Paul teaches different than Jesus. We may also disagree on some things but I respect you for saying things that you find true that also may bring anger from others. I want to ask you how do you view Duet 18:18-19?
Acts 16:1-3, “1 Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek, 2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.”
Galatians 5:2, Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.”
the letter to the Galatians is believed to have been written before Acts was and before the Jerusalem council, making Timothy's circumcision after the letter to the Galatians was written.
Bible Book Summary Galatians Summary by Jay Smith
The book of Galatians is a Pauline Epistle (letter from Paul). It was written by the Apostle Paul about 49 A.D. prior to the Jerusalem Council which had taken place in 50 A.D
Bible Book Summary Acts Summary by Jay Smith
The genre of the book of Acts is Narrative History with several Sermons. Luke, the author of the Gospel of Luke, was a doctor and Gentile. He wrote this book circa 60-62 A.D.
Therefore Paul said no circumcision before the Jerusalem council, and the Jerusalem council is before Paul circumcises Timothy.
Galatians 5:2, Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.”
the letter to the Galatians is believed to have been written before Acts was and before the Jerusalem council, making Timothy's circumcision after the letter to the Galatians was written.
Bible Book Summary Galatians Summary by Jay Smith
The book of Galatians is a Pauline Epistle (letter from Paul). It was written by the Apostle Paul about 49 A.D. prior to the Jerusalem Council which had taken place in 50 A.D
Bible Book Summary Acts Summary by Jay Smith
The genre of the book of Acts is Narrative History with several Sermons. Luke, the author of the Gospel of Luke, was a doctor and Gentile. He wrote this book circa 60-62 A.D.
Therefore Paul said no circumcision before the Jerusalem council, and the Jerusalem council is before Paul circumcises Timothy.
That has nothing to do wit the Jerusalem council, is there a linkning verse in acts where the disciple say it? Pauls word had been proven to contradict.
Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."
1Timothy 2:7, "For this reason I was appointed to be an announcer, an apostle, and a faithful and true teacher of the gentiles. I am telling you the truth. I am not lying."
Galatians 2:7-9, " 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."
1Timothy 2:7, "For this reason I was appointed to be an announcer, an apostle, and a faithful and true teacher of the gentiles. I am telling you the truth. I am not lying."
Galatians 2:7-9, " 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.