Did Jesus and Paul teach differnt gospels?

[FollowtheShepherd]

Greetings,





Since I have been on CC BDF I have noticed some hold a doctrine that Jesus teachings are either done away post resurrection/ascension or Jesus teachings are for Jews only and Paul's teachings are for Gentiles. I disagree with this and believe Jesus teachings are not done away and are for all people of every nation. I wanted to start a topic on this and see different views and different verses so I may know the truth. As I stated I have my view and believe it is correct.

I have two starting points:

1. While Jesus may had started in Israel, He sent all His chosen disciples to all the nations in the world:

Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

2. That Jesus words while on earth in the flesh are the true doctrine to follow and still valid:

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. 25 These things have I spoken unto you, being [yet] present with you. 26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words (teachings) will not pass away.”

 

[Whispered]

I adore the lamb in your profile pic.

Your last verse is what I will address if that is OK.


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words (teachings) will not pass away.”

I have heard of the Jesus Paul controversy and for years now. I've also lurked at Bible discussion communities wherein their rules state it is considered heresy and a member would be banned, should they argue that Paul was not being led to preach by Jesus and to the Gentiles.

Conversely I have also happened upon sites that profess Jesus only. And cast Paul into the light of Heretic, and worse, blasphemer who was a disciple of Lucifer. And as such, his leading was to confound understanding of the very message that would ultimately seal the fate of Lucifer at the end of days.
As I recall part of the proofs some of these folk issued so as to prove their point was when the Saint Apostle Paul warned of those who would preach a different Jesus than what he, Paul, taught. And at one point there is that which the Saint Apostle Paul levied as a curse on such one's as that.

I've browsed with interest all those contentions that I've not shared, as well as those I have, and as I see it, if someone is unsure as to the Saint Apostle Paul's leading or anointing the best thing to do is to recognize the Christian is Saved by God's grace and they are to follow Jesus their Savior. That good shepherd.
If one has a doubt about the Saint Apostle Paul after that I think it best, again only in my view, not speaking for anyone else nor so as to lead anyone else to follow my opinion on this, if they recall the scripture that tells us, God knows the heart. And in the end all will stand before the judgment.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I adore the lamb in your profile pic.

Your last verse is what I will address if that is OK.


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words (teachings) will not pass away.”

I have heard of the Jesus Paul controversy and for years now. I've also lurked at Bible discussion communities wherein their rules state it is considered heresy and a member would be banned, should they argue that Paul was not being led to preach by Jesus and to the Gentiles.

Conversely I have also happened upon sites that profess Jesus only. And cast Paul into the light of Heretic, and worse, blasphemer who was a disciple of Lucifer. And as such, his leading was to confound understanding of the very message that would ultimately seal the fate of Lucifer at the end of days.
As I recall part of the proofs some of these folk issued so as to prove their point was when the Saint Apostle Paul warned of those who would preach a different Jesus than what he, Paul, taught. And at one point there is that which the Saint Apostle Paul levied as a curse on such one's as that.

I've browsed with interest all those contentions that I've not shared, as well as those I have, and as I see it, if someone is unsure as to the Saint Apostle Paul's leading or anointing the best thing to do is to recognize the Christian is Saved by God's grace and they are to follow Jesus their Savior. That good shepherd.
If one has a doubt about the Saint Apostle Paul after that I think it best, again only in my view, not speaking for anyone else nor so as to lead anyone else to follow my opinion on this, if they recall the scripture that tells us, God knows the heart. And in the end all will stand before the judgment.

Thank you! For the kind words and the contribution, I think your post is a wonderful 1st reply to the topic. Very level headed and honest approach IMO.

I myself have hear a number of different views and through the years have sought to learn what God is trying to tell humans with His entire word, and my bottom line is very in tune with something you said "the Christian is Saved by God's grace and they are to follow Jesus their Savior. That good shepherd" I 100% agree with this line of thought becasu so many times Jesus says to follow His words, and even says "those I spoke while still with you" John 14:23-26.

I seek to build ny doctrine of belief upon the Rock, the Chief cornerstone!

Matthew 7:24-27, " 24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”

Acts 4:11-12, " 11 “This is ‘the stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief corner-stone.’ 12 “And there is no deliverance in anyone else, for there is no other Name under the heaven given among men by which we need to be saved.”

Psalms 118:19-22, " 19 Open to me the gates of righteousness, that I may enter through them and give thanks to the LORD. 20 This is the gate of the LORD; the righteous shall enter through it. 21 I thank you that you have answered me and have become my salvation. 22 The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone."

if they recall the scripture that tells us, God knows the heart. And in the end all will stand before the judgment.

I agree.

Psalms 11:2-4, " 2 for behold, the wicked bend the bow; they have fitted their arrow to the string to shoot in the dark at the upright in heart; 3 if the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” 4 The LORD is in his holy temple; the LORD's throne is in heaven; his eyes see, his eyelids test the children of man.

According to God's own words and Jesus own words and quoted by Peter, Jesus words are the ones we will be judged on:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, " 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.

Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’

John 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Iif they recall the scripture that tells us, God knows the heart.

I suppose this may have been the verse? Jeremiah 17:10?

Jeremiah 17:10 “I the LORD search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”

And in the end all will stand before the judgment.

John 5:28-29, " 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I disagree with this and believe Jesus teachings are not done away and are for all people of every nation.

That is absolutely correct. The Lord Jesus Christ laid the foundation, and the apostles built upon it.

Since God is economical with words (unlike theologians and scholars) we do not find a lot of repetition of that which has already been said by Christ. And the words of Christ were always succinct, powerful, and often enigmatic.

But Jesus Himself made allowance for the further teachings from the apostles. And the Revelation was reserved for the end of the Bible, yet Christ is the one who gave that "Revelation of Jesus Christ".

Furthermore, the whole Bible is to be read, studied and applied (with the understanding that the New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant). However, Christians are not to place the non-canonical books of the Apocrypha, or other books such as the book of Mormon, on the same level as Scripture.

Since Christ was still under the Law of Moses until His crucifixion, some of His teachings were only for the Jews, and that becomes obvious. But the majority of His words were for humanity and have universal application.

 

[Whispered]

I suppose this may have been the verse? Jeremiah 17:10?

Jeremiah 17:10 “I the LORD search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”



John 5:28-29, " 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

You are correct. Thank you for sharing the specific verses that support my prior mentioning of their content.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

That is absolutely correct. The Lord Jesus Christ laid the foundation, and the apostles built upon it.

Since God is economical with words (unlike theologians and scholars) we do not find a lot of repetition of that which has already been said by Christ. And the words of Christ were always succinct, powerful, and often enigmatic.

But Jesus Himself made allowance for the further teachings from the apostles. And the Revelation was reserved for the end of the Bible, yet Christ is the one who gave that "Revelation of Jesus Christ".

Furthermore, the whole Bible is to be read, studied and applied (with the understanding that the New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant). However, Christians are not to place the non-canonical books of the Apocrypha, or other books such as the book of Mormon, on the same level as Scripture.

Since Christ was still under the Law of Moses until His crucifixion, some of His teachings were only for the Jews, and that becomes obvious. But the majority of His words were for humanity and have universal application.

Thank you for the input I am in agreement with everything you said *other than some of His teachings are not for us. *Unless you mean when there was a physical temple and He told the man to go and offer an offering at the temple, if that is what you meant I am in total agreement, because IMO Jesus had not yet taken His place as high priest He could not perform the required protocol, and thus commanded likewise.

I want to comment on your saying "Since God is economical with words (unlike theologians and scholars) we do not find a lot of repetition of that which has already been said by Christ. And the words of Christ were always succinct, powerful, and often enigmatic."
Worded wonderfully! Sometimes I want there to be more books He gave us, but then I realize that there is so much depth there laready and I am continually learning, you got it! and yes Jesus words! Amazing! Showing perfect application, perfect understanding and perfect rigteousness, always having the right thing to say, hallelujah!

John 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I (Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.”

 

[p_rehbein]

Regarding the Question in the OP Title:

Nope

 

[Guojing]

Just read the Bible yourself to find out:

What did Jesus preach in the 4 Gospels?
What did Paul preach in Romans-Philemon?

Are you able to conclude that that the 2 messages are equivalent in essence? If you are, then the answer is no.

 

[billabong]

Likewise NOPE

Paul is always referring to the mysteries that were revealed to him. And what are mysteries? Secrets. And Who kept them secret until revealed to this man? God did.
There are all kinds of mysteries that Paul speaks of in his writings, and since they were revealed to him he then became the steward of those mysteries. And if he was the steward of them then he was the administrator of them.
You’re going to find doctrinal things in Paul’s writings that you won’t find anywhere else in Scripture. But he doesn’t cancel what went before, it’s just an advance on it.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

The parable of the sinner and the publican is basically talking about justification by faith alone:


Luke 18:9-14 9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
(ESV)


As well:


John 6:28-29 8 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
(ESV)

 

[Hevosmies]

Just read the Bible yourself to find out:

What did Jesus preach in the 4 Gospels?
What did Paul preach in Romans-Philemon?

Are you able to conclude that that the 2 messages are equivalent in essence? If you are, then the answer is no.

Paul's epistles are written to CHURCHES and BELIEVERS. Here is Paul preaching the same repentance and faith message as all the rest of the apostles:

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

See? Paul, BOTH to Jews and greeks, same message. Repentance and faith! SLLAAAAM DUNK!

 

[Guojing]

Paul's epistles are written to CHURCHES and BELIEVERS. Here is Paul preaching the same repentance and faith message as all the rest of the apostles:

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

See? Paul, BOTH to Jews and greeks, same message. Repentance and faith! SLLAAAAM DUNK!

This kind of revelation, if people don't want to see it, they won't.

Anyway this issue is not critical to salvation. So I will follow Paul's advice in Romans 14:5

One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

 

[posthuman]

What did Paul preach in Romans-Philemon?

Then Paul dwelt two whole years in his own rented house, and received all who came to him, preaching the kingdom of God and teaching the things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ with all
(Acts 28:30-31)​

 

[Lightskin]

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words (teachings) will not pass away.”

This ^^^^^

 

[Lightskin]

How can the Cornerstone be removed?
Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[posthuman]

You’re going to find doctrinal things in Paul’s writings that you won’t find anywhere else in Scripture. But he doesn’t cancel what went before, it’s just an advance on it.

yes

Acts 18-19:
Apollos knows only the OT and the message of John the Baptist. he is preaching the gospel accurately.
Apollos meets Aquila & Priscilla, who have received the gospel from Paul.
they take Apollos aside and teach him the gospel "more accurately"
not "a different gospel" -- the same gospel "more accurately"
in the same chapters Paul is said to be teaching "the things of the kingdom of God" to both Jew & Gentile.
not two different gospels. not one gospel to Jews and a different to Gentiles.
not one gospel pre-resurrection and a different one afterward.
not one gospel before the council at Jerusalem and a different one afterwards.

one gospel, one King, one kingdom, not of this world.
one message of good news to all mankind.

 

[JaumeJ]

When I first came to God in spirit and dtruth, broken, He gave me some information that was just for me, for my trek through this age. One coud refer to them as having had mysteries revealed to me. Being just for me, it would do no gooe for you were I to share them……..I do not think so anywahs. God bless you. Oh, I believe those "mysteries" revealed to Paul are the same as what Ireceive and what all receive………….Nott quite certain though. Faith tells me it is not a great importance for others.

 

[JaumeJ]

How can the Cornerstone be removed?
Makes no sense whatsoever.

Think o what Jesus foretold. When the disciples said what beautiful buildings they were including th e Temple I believe. Jesus, Yeshua, said, there ill not be one stone left upon the other before He returns.

Now we are said to be living stones of His Temple. He, being the chief and th e cornerstone was taken to Heaven leaving the rest of the stones to fall apart without His presnece.

We certainly are scattered, yet our faith is as strong as ever. All blessings in our wonderful Savior, amen.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

How can the Cornerstone be removed?
Makes no sense whatsoever.

Thank you! I agee 100% He is our King and Shepherd! His words will not pass!

John 10:27-30, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord.”