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Obsess on that for awhile.. lol
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John 1:12 (YLT)
12 but as many as did receive Him to them he gave authority to become sons of God--to those believing in his name,
DID RECEIVE HIM AS WHAT ? ? ?
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [.The meaning of the word is MASTER.], continue to live in him,
Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [.It is not a CONFESSION, unless it happens in your heart, when you OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM, you willing you RECIEVE HIM as MASTER.] with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; [You SEE Salvation happens after You have received HIM as LORD. The deception is the easy believism FALSE GOSPEL of Receiving Him as SAVIOUR, and latter you can submit to Him as LORD, if you want to.]
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
I know no other way to Genuine SALVATION.
My brains a little tired, however, lest anyone fall into the deception of Lordship Salvation...... I quote John Rice I think he states it properly....
Lordship Salvation is a lie.
A changed life is the FRUIT of genuine repentance; and not a part of the ROOT of saving faith.
We give up our sins because we ARE saved; not to GET saved. Biblical salvation requires that a person simply acknowledge their guilt of sin before God (Romans 3:19) and believe on Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, to be forgiven. Acts 10:43, “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
That is Biblical salvation.
John Rice sounds a lot like my position what I have always said. Believe, regenerated, changed, grow.
Yes, I say regeneration. The churches I come from teach things like that in the services. That is one of the ELEMENTARY. Teachings
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Yeah well, it does not state a changed life must bear fruit to be real...... so do not agree too soon.
When did I say that? Post number please.
That was a strawman DC, GB9, and Budman made up. And you guys bought it uncritically
Proof. No one has ever produced a post where I said that. I have asked numerous times
GB9 tried. And I showed he was misunderstanding me
What I simply said before a new believer doesn’t necessarily have to wait for maturity to bear fruit. I said nothing more and nothing less
I bust more myths about myself...
I’ll be waiting for a post where I said that
You’re just repeating another of a long list of strawman that have been invented or attributed to me.
I have already clearly corrected one person today on my position.
You would have died of alcohol poisoning if you took a shot every time someone used a strawman
Just watch. When someone claims I said something, I ask for a post. And they never provide one or they provide one that defeats their own argument.
I think I’m going to correct Undergrace the way I corrected someone else today. Get ready for it
Hahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahhahahhahahaha that was funny.....hahahaha that was hilarious and as my Aussie friends say.....SPOT ON!
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yes boss. you do what you have to do. its 4:20 in morning here i need to sleep now. i will come back tomorrow if i survive to see justice served.
then get reading you got 5000 more pages to go
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What are you talking about? You accuse me of something and then say you haven’t read every post? Oh, I get it. You believed because DC and the liscentiousness teaching Budman said it. I feel ya.
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No you responded to me when you insinuated something I never said. I do not use words like “must” when talking about fruit. I use words like does or will. Like Jesus. Everyone who abides in me bears fruit. Descriptive statement- describes. Not prescriptive statement that prescribed
DC is not an apostle where you have to unquestioningly believe all his claims. Why the Bereans didn’t even do that with Paul
Not sure I have enough liquor in the cabinet?
Not sure there is enough liquor in the world to take a shot every time one of you produces a strawman
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I am going to have to leave this thread because you have a way that I really have no idea how to deal with you.
You see this Melach. She accuses me of something then says she can’t show where because she hasn’t read every post. In other words she ASSUMES it, because that’s what DC and Budman claimed I said
I warned you not to join the strawman army. Now go take another drink