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Well repent actually means to turn away from your own way and turn to God. So while you are in the actual act of repentance a by product of that is that you have ceased from sin.
But as soon as you are "finished" or go back to life or whatever, not in a repentant state, doing your own thing, you are subject to sin. You don't have to dwell on it or anything like that but you know that you aren't God and that you aren't Perfect.
And that is what the sinless perfectionist says "I am perfect like God is Perfect". No, sir. You are just as dumb and weak as the rest of us. Sorry to burst your perfect bubble...
But as soon as you are "finished" or go back to life or whatever, not in a repentant state, doing your own thing, you are subject to sin. You don't have to dwell on it or anything like that but you know that you aren't God and that you aren't Perfect.
And that is what the sinless perfectionist says "I am perfect like God is Perfect". No, sir. You are just as dumb and weak as the rest of us. Sorry to burst your perfect bubble...
Notice I said as long as we are abiding. I did not say anything about maintaining or earning salvation.
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Repent means a change of mind, but that change of mind changes what we seek, (the one who is in the flesh. minds the things of the flesh, and the one who is spiritual minds the things of the Spirit). So if we walk in the Spirit, we will mind the things of the Spirit. and that in turn changes the direction of our life
But it doesn’t mean you change yourself. Remember, our part is to believe. God does the transforming. Remember what John Rice said in the quote I provided yesterday?
Repentance is granted to us graciouslyof God
But it doesn’t mean you change yourself. Remember, our part is to believe. God does the transforming. Remember what John Rice said in the quote I provided yesterday?
Repentance is granted to us graciouslyof God
Ok. I don't see it that way. But I do know that there is a general meaning for repentance that a lot of people use.
Such as I repented of my desire to change the tires on my truck.
Ok, sure you changed your mind.
I don't think that is the way Christian Repentance works. But it is the by-product of Christian Repentance.
You come to Christ because you don't want to desire what you are desiring. And then your mind is changed by Christ. And you come away with a change of mind...
Do we just agree to disagree?
Such as I repented of my desire to change the tires on my truck.
Ok, sure you changed your mind.
I don't think that is the way Christian Repentance works. But it is the by-product of Christian Repentance.
You come to Christ because you don't want to desire what you are desiring. And then your mind is changed by Christ. And you come away with a change of mind...
Do we just agree to disagree?
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I in no way was referring to any particular person. If you thought so, I apologize. I was and do speak about myself and my own failures as a witness for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I was and do speak about my own weakness as His Child.
I agree, whenever false teachers trample on His Word and on His children, patience is no longer my virture. I'm not sure how to express myself sometimes and because this site is writing and not face-to-face, I'm sure my words can and are misconstrued.
I believe you and I are most definitely on the same page.
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@VCO. I have been accused of not being clear. Here is my position on the matter. Just a few quotes from literally hundreds that I could copy and paste
"Macabeus, post: 4037720, member: 279100"]...We don’t bring anything that was not first given to us by God[/"Macabeus, post: 3949236, member: 279100"]There are several ways the man can serve God in joy and gratitude. ANY born again person can serve God from joy and gratitude of being saved. If nothing else, the fact that I am justified should make me desire to see others saved, and lead to me at least praying for them, if not sharing my faith with them..Macabeus, post: 3949151, member: 279100"]We are justified by faith without works, yes, but when we are justified, we also receive a new nature, and if we have a new nature, we will have new desires, and thus, we will want to see God glorified (new desires) and will labor to that end. Not to be saved, but from love and gratitude..."Macabeus, post: 3948980, member: 279100"]Yes, and then after justification, we live our lives to God out of love and gratitude, BECAUSE OF OUR NEW NATURE. Not perfectly, but there should be SOME love and gratitude, and concern about other people IF WE ARE BORN OF GOD>.."Macabeus, post: 3948972, member: 279100"]. As I have stated many times, SALVATION IS FULLY ACCOMPLISHED, and then works follow from love and gratitude. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Macabeus, post: 3947604, member: 279100"]Yep, if it is of grace, then work is no more work. VERY GOOD scripture. KUDOSAnd to Him that has received grace, work is no longer reckoned as meritorious work, it becomes an expression of gratitude and love. 1 JOHN 5:3. AND no one has room to boast, for WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WE DID NOT RECEiVE FROM GOD. 1 Corinthians 4:7 "Macabeus, post: 3947268, member: 279100"]Justified by faith ALONE, works follow out of love and gratitudeJust like fire produces smoke...All of Grace, it is all of grace, naught of myself, but all from Him, it is all of grace, that is all."Macabeus, post: 3946895, member: 279100"]Never said it had anything to do with salvation. I merely stated that those who are born of God will have the characteristics that John lists in his First Epistle.And we do not work to be saved. We work because we are saved and out of love and gratitude...."Macabeus, post: 4035414, member: 279100"]I agree that fruit is the result and fruit of salvation, not the cause or the root. .
Just a few clear quotes from a selection of HUNDREDS where I said that fruit and works flow from salvation and love and gratitude for God for saving us.
"Macabeus, post: 4037720, member: 279100"]...We don’t bring anything that was not first given to us by God[/"Macabeus, post: 3949236, member: 279100"]There are several ways the man can serve God in joy and gratitude. ANY born again person can serve God from joy and gratitude of being saved.
If nothing else, the fact that I am justified should make me desire to see others saved, and lead to me at least praying for them, if not sharing my faith with them..Macabeus, post: 3949151, member: 279100"]We are justified by faith without works, yes, but when we are justified, we also receive a new nature, and if we have a new nature, we will have new desires, and thus, we will want to see God glorified (new desires) and will labor to that end. Not to be saved, but from love and gratitude..."Macabeus, post: 3948980, member: 279100"]Yes, and then after justification, we live our lives to God out of love and gratitude, BECAUSE OF OUR NEW NATURE. Not perfectly, but there should be SOME love and gratitude, and concern about other people IF WE ARE BORN OF GOD>.."Macabeus, post: 3948972, member: 279100"]. As I have stated many times, SALVATION IS FULLY ACCOMPLISHED, and then works follow from love and gratitude. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Macabeus, post: 3947604, member: 279100"]Yep, if it is of grace, then work is no more work. VERY GOOD scripture. KUDOSAnd to Him that has received grace, work is no longer reckoned as meritorious work, it becomes an expression of gratitude and love. 1 JOHN 5:3. AND no one has room to boast, for WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WE DID NOT RECEiVE FROM GOD. 1 Corinthians 4:7 "Macabeus, post: 3947268, member: 279100"]Justified by faith ALONE, works follow out of love and gratitudeJust like fire produces smoke...All of Grace, it is all of grace, naught of myself, but all from Him, it is all of grace, that is all."Macabeus, post: 3946895, member: 279100"]Never said it had anything to do with salvation. I merely stated that those who are born of God will have the characteristics that John lists in his First Epistle.And we do not work to be saved. We work because we are saved and out of love and gratitude...."Macabeus, post: 4035414, member: 279100"]I agree that fruit is the result and fruit of salvation, not the cause or the root. .Just a few clear quotes from a selection of HUNDREDS where I said that fruit and works flow from salvation and love and gratitude for God for saving us.
There is a simpler way to put that.
1 John 3:14 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
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