If you don’t believe that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, then your one word utterance above is the best thing you have going for you. Very sad.
Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Yes but we were talking about love, not total perfection. Fact is Jesus was perfect in love because He walked perfect in the Law, and this should go without saying, in it's true intent. Not a man's twisted version of it.
With respect, not one individual on CC who pushes the law, loves perfectly. What EG has shared stands correct.
AT least 2 people here have told me "you follow Jesus by following Paul because Paul is OUR apostle" Implying or even saying :Jesus and the 12 were to jews" Yet I have disproven this with the word and with Scripture. Also you are the one making a big deal about the law, I have been saying over and over that Jesus is the way, the law was a side issue that it seems people disgree with me on thus it becomes a point talked about.
My bottom line is
Jesus is the one to follow:
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
His words; while in the flesh and the holy spirit brings THOSE word to us:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
That there is only Him as sheperd/lerder, there is not different ways for different people:
John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."
and His words will never pass:
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
Now the law topis is a part of this and git brought up, Im ok with this but it's not my focal point. But when someone tells me it's done away or not to be folloed I am going to support my view and in many cases use Jesus words to do so.
Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
Hi, I agree we do those things because sin is not just what we do sin is what we are in our Old Man. this is why it is appointed to all men to die once. Allowing us to die physically is one of the greatest gifts our Lord has given to us so we do not have to mourn like the world.
Well it' hard to get into mens motivations of why they do things. But I would say if they do it because they wat to follow the Creator it's probably a good thing if they do it for anyonter reason it's probably not as good, particularly for "blessing" only, thats like a good example of being physically circumcised/baptised but not having a circumcised heart/changed heart.
E
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Sorry bro. I was talking about the law. But if you were talking about love then yes, If you could love 24/7 as jesus love you could be like him and be perfect the law in your actions..
the problem is, No human I aver met or read about, even in scripture has mastered that type of love.
No. you see you have this backwards
Jesus walked perfect in the law BECAUSE he was perfect in love.
The law does not teach love, it just proves to us how unloving we really are.
Yes you misunderstood my post. I was agreeing with that part, that is why I said I have been sayiing " not "you are wrong about ------"
E
eternally-gratefull
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yes I have seen that
But I am talking about who says we are not to follow Christ
I can say I follow paul he was ANOTHER great example. and NOT say we should not follow christ.
that would be foolish on my part.
E
eternally-gratefull
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But that was given to the jews, So why would it be a good thing (other than for health reasons)
God never told me to get circumcized, so if I am doing it thinking I am obeying God, then I am in some trouble, I have misrepresented God and thus placed my faith in somethign which is not even true
E
eternally-gratefull
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forgive me then brother.
so many accusations being thrown around I am seeing them when they are not there
LOL you quote a verse that says law in it, then say "I always circel back to the law" when I reply to it.
And again discern between midrasic and what the text actually says. I will go with what the text being quoted actually says.
Again all obedience is not "working" say what you will Jesus says to follow God's commands.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
No not rest from His Commands.
Rest from sin:
John 8:34-36, " 34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. 35 The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
forgive me then brother.
so many accusations being thrown around I am seeing them when they are not there
It is very easy to misread, I have done it myself. No problem, also you were kind about it simply point out rather than attacking.
Water under the bridge!
Aye! This "cycle of rebelliousness", seems to be coming round again, don't it?
That these same "types", looking for a "king", would indeed try and "recrucify" their king again!
Like Jesus pulled the law out of a box of cracker jacks!
That reminds me of these:
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
John 7:16-17, " 16 So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. 17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority."
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
But I think "Marcionisim" is strong and well today, and many unknowingly adhere to this doctrine rather than Jesus actual words:
Mar·cion·ism: the doctrinal system of a sect of the second and third centuries a.d. accepting some parts of the New Testament (Paul) but denying Christ's corporality and humanity and condemning the Creator God of the Old Testament
Heretical sect founded in A.D. 144 at Rome by Marcion and continuing in the West for 300 years, but in the East some centuries longer, especially outside the Byzantine Empire. They rejected the writings of the Old Testament and taught that Christ was not the Son of the God of the Jews, but the Son of the good God, who was different from the God of the Ancient Covenant. They anticipated the more consistent dualism of Manichaeism and were finally absorbed by it. As they arose in the very infancy of Christianity and adopted from the beginning a strong ecclesiastical organization, parallel to that of the Catholic Church, they were perhaps the most dangerous foe Christianity has ever known.
In reality I think in it's modern form I think it reject the old testament and Jesus words.
NayborBear
Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
I do not reject Jesus! Never have? Never shall!
On the other hand? I do not reject He who sent Christ either!
What I do reject however, and question the integrity of, are those, in their refusing further refining from He who sent Christ, from going onwards, "as they are confessed" to He who sent Christ, by stating they don't HAVE Christ in them!
They are WRONG in doing so!
They are ALSO wrong in stating after constant restating that Mosaic law is "working FOR salvation!" Nothing could be FURTHER then what is actually being done here.
In order to be "formed IN THE IMAGE of Christ?" One HAS to be "in the PRESENCE" of He who sent Christ!
Of COURSE, Christ is there WITH you! But, you are there "by your lonesome" IN THEIR PRESENCE! CARRYING "YOUR" CROSS!
And? It is through the "constant rejecting" of going unto He who sent Christ? Where those who have "self assured themselves" that salvation by grace through faith alone? Is ALL the "Inheritance OF God", they require!
So you see, it's NOT works FOR salvation! It's works FOR "Inheritance!"
They keep on saying it is? When it ISN'T!
They are WRONG in doing this as well!
However you are "correcting me" for something I never said or impleid.
Also nobody on earth loves perfectly except Jesus.
Who on CC says DON’T follow God’s commands?
E
eternally-gratefull
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People say they know Christ all the timeI do not reject Jesus! Never have? Never shall!
On the other hand? I do not reject He who sent Christ either!
What I do reject however, and question the integrity of, are those, in their refusing further refining from He who sent Christ, from going onwards, "as they are confessed" to He who sent Christ, by stating they don't HAVE Christ in them!
They are WRONG in doing so!
They are ALSO wrong in stating after constant restating that Mosaic law is "working FOR salvation!" Nothing could be FURTHER then what is actually being done here.
In order to be "formed IN THE IMAGE of Christ?" One HAS to be "in the PRESENCE" of He who sent Christ!
Of COURSE, Christ is there WITH you! But, you are there "by your lonesome" IN THEIR PRESENCE! CARRYING "YOUR" CROSS!
And? It is through the "constant rejecting" of going unto He who sent Christ? Where those who have "self assured themselves" that salvation by grace through faith alone? Is ALL the "Inheritance OF God", they require!
So you see, it's NOT works FOR salvation! It's works FOR "Inheritance!"
They keep on saying it is? When it ISN'T!
They are WRONG in doing this as well!
does not mean they do.
As much as you lie and slander others of saying things they never said. Well you get the picture, how can we then trust you?
Exactly, Which is why our works are but filthy rags to God, but for some reason Works Salvationists deem themselves righteous. On another note, I apologize if I misunderstood you.