Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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The Law done properly and true is to obey every word, not fail in even one point (be it a mistake or on purpose) and maintain this status of perfection all your life
If you can not do this, You can not keep the law.
And you answered your own statement
Jesus did it. I pray you do not think you can walk perfectly like Jesus did.
Our goal is to not think we have made it, but continue to run the race before us, And learn from Jesus and others who have put the needs of others above their own, because they Love God.
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WHO is saying this? I keep hearing you guys say this, But I do not SEE ANYONE WHO SAYS THIS?
it gets a little tiring when people say that people do not think we need to follow Christ, In about every discussion about obedience to the law. yet when everyone looks, NO ONE IS MAKING THIS CLAIM
Jews can't obey the law any better than the christians can. In fact, reality says, unless they are christian, they obey it less (although they will argue that with you, especially devout jews who THINK they are devoted to the law) However, they do not have Gods love poured out on them, so they in turn can take that love and pour it out on others.
WHICH IS WHAT JESUS DID. took his fathers love and poured it out on those he cam in contact with, whoever they were.
Jesus did not go around all his life focusing on which commands he needs to obey, He went around focusing on who to serve who to love
THATS the example he left us.
it gets a little tiring when people say that people do not think we need to follow Christ, In about every discussion about obedience to the law. yet when everyone looks, NO ONE IS MAKING THIS CLAIM
Jews can't obey the law any better than the christians can. In fact, reality says, unless they are christian, they obey it less (although they will argue that with you, especially devout jews who THINK they are devoted to the law) However, they do not have Gods love poured out on them, so they in turn can take that love and pour it out on others.
WHICH IS WHAT JESUS DID. took his fathers love and poured it out on those he cam in contact with, whoever they were.
Jesus did not go around all his life focusing on which commands he needs to obey, He went around focusing on who to serve who to love
THATS the example he left us.
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Its a bit confusing when Jesus tells people to love God and others, do this, and the law will be fulfilled
then tell people they need commands, Which sort of cancels love out
If you need to be told not to fornicate, or to Honor your parents, or not covet, Something is seriousy wrong with you. I would suggest you search your heart, and ask God why you still need these commands. And why you are unable instead to focus on loving the gal your tempted with, Your loving your parents, or loving the person who has been blessed with the things you covet.
then tell people they need commands, Which sort of cancels love out
If you need to be told not to fornicate, or to Honor your parents, or not covet, Something is seriousy wrong with you. I would suggest you search your heart, and ask God why you still need these commands. And why you are unable instead to focus on loving the gal your tempted with, Your loving your parents, or loving the person who has been blessed with the things you covet.
Why do you think the law was written on our hearts if we do not need it? Did Jesus say that we don't need the law? When He gave the instructions to preach the gospel and teach people to obey whatever He commanded them, does that not include the 10 commandments which were summed up in this one rule: "love your neighbour as yourself"?
Did you not say that God's people keep and obey His commandments?
Submission to the Authorities
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. Romans 13:1-7
Do we submit to God's authority by saying that we don't need His laws or commandments?
I have underlined your argument above and here's what the bible says:
And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.
Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.
God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
Did you not say that God's people keep and obey His commandments?
Submission to the Authorities
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. Romans 13:1-7
Do we submit to God's authority by saying that we don't need His laws or commandments?
I have underlined your argument above and here's what the bible says:
And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.
Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.
God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
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God did not write the ministry of death in my heart.
He wrote, and continues to write, Gods love in my heart
Laws are given for the lawless.
A person who truly loves and seeks to serve and not receive will never break any laws by practice.
You keep posting the verse about love, Why will you not understand what that very verse means?
if you see a neighbor get something you have wanted for along time, O pray you do not look back to the law. and keep telling yourself do not cover, do not covet do not covet, that's what God commands, Because if you even have to think of it, You already have sinned
You better be thinking to yourself. wow. God has blessed my neighbor, Is not God a great God, praise God. and move on. ad think about how you can be used to serve your neighbor even more (think outward not inward) something the law does not teach.
He wrote, and continues to write, Gods love in my heart
Laws are given for the lawless.
A person who truly loves and seeks to serve and not receive will never break any laws by practice.
You keep posting the verse about love, Why will you not understand what that very verse means?
if you see a neighbor get something you have wanted for along time, O pray you do not look back to the law. and keep telling yourself do not cover, do not covet do not covet, that's what God commands, Because if you even have to think of it, You already have sinned
You better be thinking to yourself. wow. God has blessed my neighbor, Is not God a great God, praise God. and move on. ad think about how you can be used to serve your neighbor even more (think outward not inward) something the law does not teach.
I frame all working at the law as working at the law.
You frame all "desire for obedience" to be working at the law. Because you don't know any other way.
If God has put HIS ACTUAL law in our hearts and minds then we don't need to go back to Commandments that Command people to keep His Law.
If one has the Spirit of God changing their heart they will have Gods Actual Law in their heart and mind. It will be a wondrous thing.
It will not be the Ministration of Death and Condemnation, Commanding people to keep His Law.
The only thing that is funny here is how you can ALWAYS manage to circle back to working at the law. That is funny.
The point, and Pauls point, is that working at the law is NOT of faith.
The one who does them shall live in them is referring back to verse 10 and 11.
Galatians 3:10-11
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Do you see that? The righteousness which is of faith (in Christ). Remember in Galatians where Scripture says working at the law is NOT of faith? Well, here it comes again...
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Well you are stumbling over the same rock of offense. You aren't seeking Righteousness by faith, like I am showing you.
You are seeking Righteousness by working at the law.
But when I show you that your work at the law DOESN'T establish the law, only faith in Christ does you can't understand.
Only by faith in Christ are any of Gods Laws obeyed.
And once you turn away from Christ and back to your work at the law your obedience stops.
You can't have blessing and cursing simultaneously.
You can't have condemnation and Righteousness simultaneously.
You can only have one or the other.
You frame all "desire for obedience" to be working at the law. Because you don't know any other way.
If God has put HIS ACTUAL law in our hearts and minds then we don't need to go back to Commandments that Command people to keep His Law.
If one has the Spirit of God changing their heart they will have Gods Actual Law in their heart and mind. It will be a wondrous thing.
It will not be the Ministration of Death and Condemnation, Commanding people to keep His Law.
The only thing that is funny here is how you can ALWAYS manage to circle back to working at the law. That is funny.
The point, and Pauls point, is that working at the law is NOT of faith.
The one who does them shall live in them is referring back to verse 10 and 11.
Galatians 3:10-11
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Do you see that? The righteousness which is of faith (in Christ). Remember in Galatians where Scripture says working at the law is NOT of faith? Well, here it comes again...
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Well you are stumbling over the same rock of offense. You aren't seeking Righteousness by faith, like I am showing you.
You are seeking Righteousness by working at the law.
But when I show you that your work at the law DOESN'T establish the law, only faith in Christ does you can't understand.
Only by faith in Christ are any of Gods Laws obeyed.
And once you turn away from Christ and back to your work at the law your obedience stops.
You can't have blessing and cursing simultaneously.
You can't have condemnation and Righteousness simultaneously.
You can only have one or the other.
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You can always twist what I say but remember this:
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers. Galatians 6:7-10
You have provoked me to reply to your merry go round argument so I expect you to answer my questions otherwise I'll have to let it pass and let God be true and judge us.
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers. Galatians 6:7-10
You have provoked me to reply to your merry go round argument so I expect you to answer my questions otherwise I'll have to let it pass and let God be true and judge us.
Went shopping the other day and thought the cashier undercharged me. I said something to the cashier but it turns out the cashier was right.
It felt great having said something, not because I was keeping the law or “maintaining” my salvation through works, but because I simply want to magnify God’s Name.
A joyful heart is the difference between having faith in Christ rather than faith in yourself.
It felt great having said something, not because I was keeping the law or “maintaining” my salvation through works, but because I simply want to magnify God’s Name.
A joyful heart is the difference between having faith in Christ rather than faith in yourself.
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No Grandpa? It would be so much more easier, if you, and others like you were able to recognize:
a) Where we are in this current earth/heaven age "timeline."
b) The difference/s between Christ's people, and His Father's people.
c) What Christ's Father's people (who are Christ's people, at the present, but because of your traditions, are doing more harm then good to them, and yourselves as well.), are doing for Christ, in the accomplishing of that which Christ's Father stated in Psalms 110:1:
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Because y'all seemingly recognize Christ at first? But, apostasy through "traditions" has "mandated", that "attributes" of God's Fathership of Christ? Be stripped away from Him! And "other" things as well.
Which makes for such long threads, and vehement, and adamant "discussions(?)"
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Which after awhile? Makes it hard to even see "the Spirit of Christ" in y'all people, let alone "the Spirit of God, who raised Christ from the dead!
1 Samuel 15
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
a) Where we are in this current earth/heaven age "timeline."
b) The difference/s between Christ's people, and His Father's people.
c) What Christ's Father's people (who are Christ's people, at the present, but because of your traditions, are doing more harm then good to them, and yourselves as well.), are doing for Christ, in the accomplishing of that which Christ's Father stated in Psalms 110:1:
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Because y'all seemingly recognize Christ at first? But, apostasy through "traditions" has "mandated", that "attributes" of God's Fathership of Christ? Be stripped away from Him! And "other" things as well.
Which makes for such long threads, and vehement, and adamant "discussions(?)"
!Which after awhile? Makes it hard to even see "the Spirit of Christ" in y'all people, let alone "the Spirit of God, who raised Christ from the dead!
1 Samuel 15
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
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