Abide in Christ

[FollowtheShepherd]

Ezekiel 18:29 - But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right?

Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his OWN righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. Did you read that? "If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS." This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith.

*The New Testament states in Romans 10:3 - "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.

As James Fawcett Brown points out - righteous--one apparently such; as in Matthew 9:13, "I came not to call the righteous," that is, those who fancy themselves righteous. First please notice the underlined words "his righteousness" meaning that the "righteous" turns from his righteousness. That is his OWN righteousness.

How do you reconcile this with your view?

1 John 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."

I think there is a misunderstand of what Ez 33 means

Look at the NEXT verse:

Ezekiel 33:13-14, " 13 When I shall say to the righteous, [that] he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. 14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;"

If we take it as you say I beleive it contradicts:

Ezekiel 18:21-22, " 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

This is also a key to understand it:

Isaiah 66:15-17, " 15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD."

Self sactification is making ones own way, letting Him snctify us is following His way.

Leviticus 20:7-8, " 7 Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, for I am the LORD your God. 8 Keep my statutes and do them; I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

It is not about accepting or rejecting God but abiding by God's love.

There is no "abiding by God's love" for the one who rejects God. Those who reject God love only themselves and are incapable of loving others. There may be some affection for others so long as the others are of some personal benefit. But this affection is not the same as the love God speaks of in his Word that we are to have for others.

Abiding by God's love means obeying God's command. Obeying God's command is loving one another. The one that loves has fulfilled all the requirements.

Jesus spoke this truth:

Matthew 22:

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


First, love God ... then love others.

The one who does not love does not abide by God's love and therefore judgement remains on them.

There is no abiding in God's love for the unbeliever. The unbeliever rejects God and remains under condemnation.

 

[Noose]

There is no "abiding by God's love" for the one who rejects God. Those who reject God love only themselves and are incapable of loving others. There may be some affection for others so long as the others are of some personal benefit. But this affection is not the same as the love God speaks of in his Word that we are to have for others.

God is spirit; How does anyone reject a spirit except by disobeying His commands?

1 John 2:4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:

 

[Grandpa]

How do you reconcile this with your view?

1 John 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."

I think there is a misunderstand of what Ez 33 means

Look at the NEXT verse:

Ezekiel 33:13-14, " 13 When I shall say to the righteous, [that] he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. 14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;"

If we take it as you say I beleive it contradicts:

Ezekiel 18:21-22, " 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

This is also a key to understand it:

Isaiah 66:15-17, " 15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD."

Self sactification is making ones own way, letting Him snctify us is following His way.

Leviticus 20:7-8, " 7 Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, for I am the LORD your God. 8 Keep my statutes and do them; I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

John 15:10 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

The Old Testament way of obeying Spiritual Laws by carnal means didn't work. It was broken and discarded.

The Lord Jesus came to save us from that. We were condemned by the Righteous Requirements of the OT.

SO now we trust in Christ for ALL of our needs.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


You can't do what Christ tells you to do unless Christ gives you the strength.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

 

[Grandpa]

God is spirit; How does anyone reject a spirit except by disobeying His commands?

1 John 2:4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

If we trust in Christ and His Work and stop doing all of our work (which is dirty rags before God) then we can rest in Christ and be made Righteous by Him.

Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.


31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.


32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


Those who work at the law THINK that they obey the law. They do not. They don't even understand what the Law REALLY says.

Those who DON'T work at the law but Rest in Christ DO obey the law. They just don't work at them.

 

[Noose]

John 15:10 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

The Old Testament way of obeying Spiritual Laws by carnal means didn't work. It was broken and discarded.

The Lord Jesus came to save us from that. We were condemned by the Righteous Requirements of the OT.

SO now we trust in Christ for ALL of our needs.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


You can't do what Christ tells you to do unless Christ gives you the strength.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

In the old covenant and in the new covenant, the requirement is just one, it is the understanding that fails people, more so in the new covenant where the requirement is put in people's heart, everyone's heart.

Isa 58:
1“Cry aloud, do not hold back!
Raise your voice like a ram's horn.
Declare to My people their transgression
and to the house of Jacob their sins.
......
5Is this the fast I have chosen,
a day for a man to deny himself,
to bow his head like a reed,
and to spread out sackcloth and ashes?
Will you call this a fast
and a day acceptable to the LORD?
6Is not this the fast that I have chosen:
to break the chains of wickedness, to untie the cords of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free and tear off every yoke?
7Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
to bring the poor and homeless into your home,
to clothe the naked when you see him,
and not to turn away
from your own flesh and blood?

No difference with what God requires of us today:

James 1:27Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

John 15:10 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

The Old Testament way of obeying Spiritual Laws by carnal means didn't work. It was broken and discarded.

The Lord Jesus came to save us from that. We were condemned by the Righteous Requirements of the OT.

SO now we trust in Christ for ALL of our needs.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


You can't do what Christ tells you to do unless Christ gives you the strength.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

None of what you are saying really has anything to do with what I posted, howeverI agree we can do nothing without Him, and part of this is the holy spirit guiding us to love His law and have it in our mind.

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

and the narrow way is not optional it required:

Matthew 7:13-14, " 13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

 

[Noose]

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

If we trust in Christ and His Work and stop doing all of our work (which is dirty rags before God) then we can rest in Christ and be made Righteous by Him.

Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Those who work at the law THINK that they obey the law. They do not. They don't even understand what the Law REALLY says.

Those who DON'T work at the law but Rest in Christ DO obey the law. They just don't work at them.

Well, you can only trust in Christ/rest in Christ/ have faith in Christ/Believe in Christ by obeying His command to love one another and never by drawing mental pictures of Christ (spirit).

 

[Grandpa]

In the old covenant and in the new covenant, the requirement is just one, it is the understanding that fails people, more so in the new covenant where the requirement is put in people's heart, everyone's heart.

Isa 58:
1“Cry aloud, do not hold back!
Raise your voice like a ram's horn.
Declare to My people their transgression
and to the house of Jacob their sins.
......
5Is this the fast I have chosen,
a day for a man to deny himself,
to bow his head like a reed,
and to spread out sackcloth and ashes?
Will you call this a fast
and a day acceptable to the LORD?
6Is not this the fast that I have chosen:
to break the chains of wickedness, to untie the cords of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free and tear off every yoke?
7Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
to bring the poor and homeless into your home,
to clothe the naked when you see him,
and not to turn away
from your own flesh and blood?

No difference with what God requires of us today:

James 1:27Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Yes. And what does the Lord Jesus tell us?

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Because you CAN'T do what you have been COMMANDED to do. You don't have the strength or the understanding to do it.


You need supernatural help. You need to turn from your own ways and turn to Christ. You need to STOP relying on your own "righteousness" and rely on Christs Real Righteousness.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Well, you can only trust in Christ/rest in Christ/ have faith in Christ/Believe in Christ by obeying His command to love one another and never by drawing mental pictures of Christ (spirit).

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

God is spirit; How does anyone reject a spirit except by disobeying His commands?

Do you know what the gospel is? When someone rejects the gospel, they are rejecting God.

Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Faith by hearing ... hearing by Word of God. And according to vs 16 the Word of God which results in faith relates to the gospel ... not the obeying of His commands.

Once we are born again and our faith is increased by God, then we have capacity/ability to keep His commands.

1 John 2:4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:

Natural man cannot keep His commandments. Even after we're born again and have Holy Spirit within we stumble and fall. We are drawn away through the lusts of the flesh. Thankfully, God chastens us and we turn back to Him once we realize we have strayed.

 

[Noose]

Do you know what the gospel is? When someone rejects the gospel, they are rejecting God.

Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Faith by hearing ... hearing by Word of God. And according to vs 16 the Word of God which results in faith relates to the gospel ... not the obeying of His commands.

Once we are born again and our faith is increased by God, then we have capacity/ability to keep His commands.





Natural man cannot keep His commandments. Even after we're born again and have Holy Spirit within we stumble and fall. We are drawn away through the lusts of the flesh. Thankfully, God chastens us and we turn back to Him once we realize we have strayed.

You left this part out, the part that shows you do not know what you are teaching:

Rom 10: 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” b (that is, to bring Christ down) 7“or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’ ”

 

[Noose]

Yes. And what does the Lord Jesus tell us?

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Because you CAN'T do what you have been COMMANDED to do. You don't have the strength or the understanding to do it.


You need supernatural help. You need to turn from your own ways and turn to Christ. You need to STOP relying on your own "righteousness" and rely on Christs Real Righteousness.

1. Jesus said His commands are not burdensome. Means He is sure you have the strength to keep His word

2. John 15 demonstrates exactly what i'm talking about. Jesus urges to remain in Him and produce more fruit, if we separate from Him we can do nothing and we are lost. But He clearly tells us how to remain in Him, it is by keeping His commands:

John 15:
4Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command. 15I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17This is my command: Love each other.

 

[garee]

To abide is the old manner of asking one to remain. Remain or stay in Christ……...

It also may be to dwell in or live in...….

Or trust with all ones new heart soul and mind.

If we abide in him then we wil not be tempted to give over or trust to the things seen mankind the formula or antichrists

We either abide in him. . our teacher, comforter guide, who also does work in us to bring to our memory in time of need the things he previously taught us.. . or we deny Him

1 John 2 has much to say...don't abide in the things seen the MO of the antichrists

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2:22-26
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[garee]

I think that's basically what I was asking. In Psalm 91:1-2 it says: " He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. "

I am not really 100% sure what it means by "secret place" here though.

I think it means the unseen Holy place of faith. Called the backside with Moses referring to Christ as a rear guard .

The power of Christ in these earthen bodies of death... not of us. The city of refuse the cleft in a Rock (Christ)

Used as a warning against pride

Obadiah 2-4 King James Version (KJV) Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.

Solomon speaks of that secret place of faith.

Song of Solomon 2:14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

 

[Grandpa]

I think you meant city of refuge.

City of refuse gives it a whole different meaning... although kind of still makes sense...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You left this part out, the part that shows you do not know what you are teaching:

Rom 10: 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” b (that is, to bring Christ down) 7“or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’ ”

Well, if you're going to go back to vs 6, why stop at vs 7? Continue reading vs 8:

Romans 10:

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead. )

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Faith by hearing ... hearing by Word of God.

What word? According to Rom 10:8-9, the Word of faith which we preach is confess Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead.

 

[Noose]

Well, if you're going to go back to vs 6, why stop at vs 7? Continue reading vs 8:

Romans 10:

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead. )

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Faith by hearing ... hearing by Word of God.

What word? According to Rom 10:8-9, the Word of faith which we preach is confess Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead.

Vs 6 should help you understand what is being said here, it is nothing close to what you are thinking.

 

[Grandpa]

1. Jesus said His commands are not burdensome. Means He is sure you have the strength to keep His word

2. John 15 demonstrates exactly what i'm talking about. Jesus urges to remain in Him and produce more fruit, if we separate from Him we can do nothing and we are lost. But He clearly tells us how to remain in Him, it is by keeping His commands:

John 15:
4Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command. 15I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

There is only ONE WAY for that to not be burdensome.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

There is only one way to continue in the Rest that Christ gives us. And that is by Abiding in Christ.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


Working at commandments is not rest. Abiding in Christ is the Rest that Christ gives. Producing Fruit is what Christ does in those who abide in Him.

Those who work at commandments have turned away from Christ and His Rest and turned toward their own Work.


Why would anyone forsake Christ just to work at commandments? The only reason I can think of is that they just don't know what Rest in Christ is. And if they don't know what Rest in Christ is how can they know what Abiding in Christ is??

 

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Vs 6 should help you understand what is being said here, it is nothing close to what you are thinking.

Sorry ... Rom 10:8 is the answer to Rom 10:6. The word of faith is:

if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.​

You want to ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above? Exactly how are you going to do that without Him?

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.