Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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Yes the law does not make us righteous or loving, but it is how we know:

1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
NO manner of explaining is going to cause you to be able to see the New Covenant.

The bible tells us that the mind is vailed until it comes to Christ. If you were going to understand you definitely would have by now.

The 10 commandments are NOT what is written on our hearts and minds when we come to Christ. That is the wish of the legalist trying to justify his continuing work at them.

2 Corinthians 3:5-9
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;


6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:


8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?


9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


What is written on our hearts and minds when we come to Christ is Righteousness and Life. It is the CAUSE of our Rest. It is the CAUSE of our Righteousness and Wisdom and Sanctification and Redemption.

It is NOT the ministration of Death and Condemnation. It is NOT the law of sin and death.


This is obvious. Except maybe for people who try to justify their work at the 10 commandments because it is ALL THEY KNOW.
 

Hevosmies

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Yes the law does not make us righteous or loving, but it is how we know:
Where have I heard that before?

See the works of the law make nobody righteous whatsoever. AMEN. By grace through faith.

Fine print: Oh btw uhh, I forgot to preach it from the pulpit i'll whisper it to you now, so yeah you remember how I said that law dont make it righteous? well thats still almost true because its only that if you DONT keep the law it just means you arent really saved. you arent saved by works of the law, but if you dont do it you arent saved, simple right? by grace through faith.
 

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NO manner of explaining is going to cause you to be able to see the New Covenant.

The bible tells us that the mind is vailed until it comes to Christ. If you were going to understand you definitely would have by now.

The 10 commandments are NOT what is written on our hearts and minds when we come to Christ. That is the wish of the legalist trying to justify his continuing work at them.

2 Corinthians 3:5-9
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;


6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:


8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?


9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


What is written on our hearts and minds when we come to Christ is Righteousness and Life. It is the CAUSE of our Rest. It is the CAUSE of our Righteousness and Wisdom and Sanctification and Redemption.

It is NOT the ministration of Death and Condemnation. It is NOT the law of sin and death.


This is obvious. Except maybe for people who try to justify their work at the 10 commandments because it is ALL THEY KNOW.
Well I think most don;t even understand what the spirit and the letter is.

Josephus, Antiquities 13.10.6, 297, “...The the Pharisees have delivered to the people a great many observances by succession from their fathers, which are not written in the Laws of Moses.”

Mark 7:8-9,8 “Forsaking the command of the Mighty One, you hold fast the tradition of men.” And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of the Mighty One, in order to guard your tradition.”

Here is an example of the Letter v the Spirit for those who have no clue what Israel did 2,000 years ago and still do;

Deuteronomy 6:8, “and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Spirit or letter? The Spirit says one thing The letter can be twisted continually, following a twisted version of the Law is not following it at all, but rather making the Law of no effect by one’s own will.

This is how Judaism “keeps” the “letter” of the Law and not the Spirit:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -
Tefillin (Askhenazic: /ˈtfɪlᵻn/; Israeli Hebrew: [tfiˈlin], ),
תפילין also called phylacteries (/fɪˈlæktəriːz/ from Ancient Greek φυλακτήριον phylacterion, form of phylássein, φυλάσσειν meaning "to guard, protect"), are a set of small black leather boxes containing scrolls of parchment inscribed with verses from the Torah. They are worn by male observant Jews during weekday morning prayers.


Also, in the new covenant, the law is written in the heart, not ignored like people here are tellling me.

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
 

Grandpa

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I think we are arguing two different points here. Some are arguing about "where we go" from the law, i.e. to Christ for Redemption, and the others are arguing "where we go" after we have come to Christ.
This couldn't be further from what is being argued.

Those who are arguing for the law don't understand what Christianity even is.

I'll show you a glimpse through scripture to help you to understand, if it were your intention to understand and REALLY keep and follow the law.

2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


This would be so much more simple if you could try to understand scripture instead of thinking I am trying to win some sort of debate with you. There is no debate. There is only the Truth of Scripture and you aren't seeing it.
 

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Where have I heard that before?

See the works of the law make nobody righteous whatsoever. AMEN. By grace through faith.

Fine print: Oh btw uhh, I forgot to preach it from the pulpit i'll whisper it to you now, so yeah you remember how I said that law dont make it righteous? well thats still almost true because its only that if you DONT keep the law it just means you arent really saved. you arent saved by works of the law, but if you dont do it you arent saved, simple right? by grace through faith.
Hmm seems you cut out part of my reply and falied to touch on it...

Here:

1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

Yes the law does not make us righteous or loving, but it is how we know:

1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
 

FollowtheShepherd

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Never said that.

Also why do you guys keep on cutting the word quotes out of my replies? Is the word not allowed?

This is what I said and posted;

"But at the same time if we are Spirit led we will walk in God's law.

Ezekiel 36:26-27, " 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” "
 

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Well I think most don;t even understand what the spirit and the letter is.

Josephus, Antiquities 13.10.6, 297, “...The the Pharisees have delivered to the people a great many observances by succession from their fathers, which are not written in the Laws of Moses.”

Mark 7:8-9,8 “Forsaking the command of the Mighty One, you hold fast the tradition of men.” And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of the Mighty One, in order to guard your tradition.”

Here is an example of the Letter v the Spirit for those who have no clue what Israel did 2,000 years ago and still do;

Deuteronomy 6:8, “and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Spirit or letter? The Spirit says one thing The letter can be twisted continually, following a twisted version of the Law is not following it at all, but rather making the Law of no effect by one’s own will.

This is how Judaism “keeps” the “letter” of the Law and not the Spirit:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -
Tefillin (Askhenazic: /ˈtfɪlᵻn/; Israeli Hebrew: [tfiˈlin], ),
תפילין also called phylacteries (/fɪˈlæktəriːz/ from Ancient Greek φυλακτήριον phylacterion, form of phylássein, φυλάσσειν meaning "to guard, protect"), are a set of small black leather boxes containing scrolls of parchment inscribed with verses from the Torah. They are worn by male observant Jews during weekday morning prayers.


Also, in the new covenant, the law is written in the heart, not ignored like people here are tellling me.

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
The law that is written on the heart is NOT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS.

It is Gods Law that is written on the Heart and in the Mind. Not commandments commanding you to obey Gods Law.

You don't see the distinction here and you CAN'T until you have been to Christ.
 

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The law that is written on the heart is NOT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS.

It is Gods Law that is written on the Heart and in the Mind. Not commandments commanding you to obey Gods Law.

You don't see the distinction here and you CAN'T until you have been to Christ.
OK, lets see?

Hebrews :16-17 is a quote from Jer 31.

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

Lets check the language in Jer 31?

Jeremiah 31:33, ""This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law (8451 - torah) in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

8451 - torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Definition: direction, instruction, law

and Jesus says;

Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

Would you loo at that same law. Seems you preach against the word.
 

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Well I think most don;t even understand what the spirit and the letter is.

Josephus, Antiquities 13.10.6, 297, “...The the Pharisees have delivered to the people a great many observances by succession from their fathers, which are not written in the Laws of Moses.”

Mark 7:8-9,8 “Forsaking the command of the Mighty One, you hold fast the tradition of men.” And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of the Mighty One, in order to guard your tradition.”

Here is an example of the Letter v the Spirit for those who have no clue what Israel did 2,000 years ago and still do;

Deuteronomy 6:8, “and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Spirit or letter? The Spirit says one thing The letter can be twisted continually, following a twisted version of the Law is not following it at all, but rather making the Law of no effect by one’s own will.

This is how Judaism “keeps” the “letter” of the Law and not the Spirit:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -
Tefillin (Askhenazic: /ˈtfɪlᵻn/; Israeli Hebrew: [tfiˈlin], ),
תפילין also called phylacteries (/fɪˈlæktəriːz/ from Ancient Greek φυλακτήριον phylacterion, form of phylássein, φυλάσσειν meaning "to guard, protect"), are a set of small black leather boxes containing scrolls of parchment inscribed with verses from the Torah. They are worn by male observant Jews during weekday morning prayers.


Also, in the new covenant, the law is written in the heart, not ignored like people here are tellling me.

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Please for the love of all that is holy

Tell me why does Paul say circumcision is nothing but keeping the commandments of God IF "THE LAW OF MOSES" as you make it sound, is written into their hearts?
Circumcision is a law in the Torah, yet we are explicitly told its not required and we should even shun it as Gentile believers in Christ and should remain uncircumcised if called in that state, Paul says. WHY is that, if the Torah is written in our hearts? Clearly Paul means something else by commandments of God than Torah, MY SUGGESTION: The commandments of Jesus
 

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Then you need God’s grace through faith.
LOL, so unless your perefect your in error. I have never met a perfect person.

I think either answer I gave was going to bring criticisim

None are perfect; you need God's grace

We can be perfect: sinless perfectionist liar.

See how that works?

Here is truth:

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Jesus Christ, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

1 John 5:18-19, " 18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him. 19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
 

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Please for the love of all that is holy

Tell me why does Paul say circumcision is nothing but keeping the commandments of God IF "THE LAW OF MOSES" as you make it sound, is written into their hearts?
Circumcision is a law in the Torah, yet we are explicitly told its not required and we should even shun it as Gentile believers in Christ and should remain uncircumcised if called in that state, Paul says. WHY is that, if the Torah is written in our hearts? Clearly Paul means something else by commandments of God than Torah, MY SUGGESTION: The commandments of Jesus
“You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God."

Becasue the entire purpose is in the word, right after talking about the blessings and curses of the law:

Deuteronomy 30:1-6, " 1 “And when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the LORD your God has driven you, 2 and return to the LORD your God, you and your children, and obey his voice in all that I command you today, with all your heart and with all your soul, 3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has scattered you. 4 If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. 5 And the LORD your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. 6 And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live."

Just like baptisim it is and outward sign of an inward chage. If there is no inward chage it is useless.
 

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I edit posts so that people will know what my questions pertain to regarding the quoted posts.
I get that, but I would ask that you show my entire post. Do as you will, I am simply asking.So I acutally isolate certian parts but still post the hole thing like this

so that people will know what my questions pertain to regarding the quoted posts.
DO as you will just asking.
 

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“You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God."

Becasue the entire purpose is in the word, right after talking about the blessings and curses of the law:

Deuteronomy 30:1-6, " 1 “And when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the LORD your God has driven you, 2 and return to the LORD your God, you and your children, and obey his voice in all that I command you today, with all your heart and with all your soul, 3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has scattered you. 4 If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. 5 And the LORD your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. 6 And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live."

Just like baptisim it is and outward sign of an inward chage. If there is no inward chage it is useless.
PLease answer my question

Are you saying circumcision isnt all that important? God nearly slayed Moses for neglecting that commandment......
 

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OK, lets see?

Hebrews :16-17 is a quote from Jer 31.

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

Lets check the language in Jer 31?

Jeremiah 31:33, ""This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law (8451 - torah) in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

8451 - torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Definition: direction, instruction, law

and Jesus says;

Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

Would you loo at that same law. Seems you preach against the word.
This is what you AREN'T GETTING.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

No. Christianity does NOT make the law void.

Christianity just CAUSES US TO STOP WORKING AT THE COMMANDMENTS.


How/Why? Because Gods Actual Law is written in our hearts and minds and not Commandments commanding men to obey Gods Law.

You don't have to work at something that is written in your heart and written on your mind. It is the CAUSE of you doing the things that you do.

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Working at the law is not of faith. And working at the law is NOT what establishes the law.

It is our faith in Christ that establishes the law.


Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.


31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.


32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
 
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Yes the law does not make us righteous or loving, but it is how we know:
Yet it is how we know we are sinners, because non of us can keep it,


1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
When you say this, you appear to be limiting gods commands to 10, and your also limiting our faithfulness to how well we perform

God is not a performance based God, he is a love based God, he loves us, and in turn wants to teach us how to love others
 
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I think we are arguing two different points here. Some are arguing about "where we go" from the law, i.e. to Christ for Redemption, and the others are arguing "where we go" after we have come to Christ.

We have some are stopping once we have accepted Christ hence we no longer need the law and some are saying we need the law to continue on and bring others to Christ which can not be done without the law because that is what brings us to Christ in the first place. So one side is hearing "we need the law still" because we are going out to teach, and the other side is hearing "we don't need the law" because we have come to Christ. Some are hearing the law is to be followed meaning "we have been to school and been disciplined, and acknowledge the teachings changed us forever in that we learned what God wants" and some are hearing "we only look to Christ, and we take what we have learned though it has no power over us, and we freely walk in the love of Christ. Which if everyone came out of the same school, it is just the way it is all worded, yet the meanings in the end would be the same. In other words we are all saying the same thing in different ways. Or I could be wrong because I only understand my side which is "acknowledging the law is how I learned, and therefore how I teach so that it can't be "done away" with, even though I have come to Christ" and any words that suggest it void in any fashion, just flat out bothers me.


The school master brought us to Christ. How? By watching over us as we were but children in the Word.

The word schoolmaster is Strongs #3807 paidagógos a boy's guardian or tutor, a slave who had charge of the life and morals of the boys of a family, not strictly a teacher.

And Help Word Studies
paidagōgós (from 3816 /país, "a child under development by strict instruction") – properly, a legally appointed overseer, authorized to train (bring) up a child by administering discipline, chastisement, and instruction, i.e. doing what was necessary to promote development.

3807 (paidagōgos) is used of the role of the Law (OT), especially the necessary "letter" (foundation, technicalities) needed to establish the doctrines of salvation, grace, faith, etc.

Can we be brought to Christ without the law? If faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God, then once we ourselves have come to Christ, we are "freed" of our schoolmaster, (we have learned our lessons) where are we to go? Spread the Word to the lost of the world. So, we go out, find the lost, teach and/or bring them to the schoolmaster, they hear the word, realize they are sinners, unable to save themselves, and now, knowing the only way to be saved is through Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour, and they come to Christ, "freed" of the schoolmaster etc.

What does the "law" teach us besides we are sinners and have need for a "Saviour"? How are we to become "disciples" ourselves?

Moral discipline, guidance and training, knowledge and understanding
How to form our character
To restrain from evil and temptation
What is to be done and to be avoided
What is righteousness and what is not
The nature of sin, its demerit and consequences
To prepare us so that we would be ready to be "taught" by Jesus
It condemns and thus prepares to welcome the offer of pardon through a Redeemer.
For our duty to God and men

It still does this, today
The law was our schoolmaster unto Christ, so the law is the schoolmaster unto Christ for those who are just being found.

from Gills exposition
The ceremonial law gave them some hints of the Gospel scheme, and the way of salvation by Christ, but in a manner suited to their estate of childhood; by sights and shows, by types and figures, by rites and ceremonies, by shadows and sacrifices; it taught them by divers washings the pollution of their nature, their need of the blood of Christ to cleanse from all sin; by circumcision, the necessity of regeneration, and the internal circumcision of the heart; by the passover, the daily sacrifice and other offerings, the doctrines of redemption, satisfaction, and atonement; and by the brazen serpent, the necessity of looking to Christ for life and salvation, and by various other things in that branch of the legal economy: but besides the instruction the law gave, it made use of discipline as a schoolmaster does; it kept a strict eye and hand over them, and them close to the performance of their duty; and restrained them from many things their inclinations led them to, threatening them with death in case of disobedience, and inflicting its penalties on delinquents; hence they that were under its discipline, The ceremonial law gave them some hints of the Gospel scheme, and the way of salvation by Christ, but in a manner suited to their estate of childhood; by sights and shows, by types and figures, by rites and ceremonies, by shadows and sacrifices; it taught them by divers washings the pollution of their nature, their need of the blood of Christ to cleanse from all sin; by circumcision, the necessity of regeneration, and the internal circumcision of the heart; by the passover, the daily sacrifice and other offerings, the doctrines of redemption, satisfaction, and atonement; and by the brazen serpent, the necessity of looking to Christ for life and salvation, and by various other things in that branch of the legal economy: but besides the instruction the law gave, it made use of discipline as a schoolmaster does; it kept a strict eye and hand over them, and them close to the performance of their duty; and restrained them from many things their inclinations led them to, threatening them with death in case of disobedience, and inflicting its penalties on delinquents; hence they that were under its discipline, were through fear of death it threatened them with, all their time subject to bondage: even the ceremonial law had something awful and tremendous in it; every beast that was slain in sacrifice was not only an instruction to them that they deserved to die as that creature did; but carried in it a tacit acknowledgment and confession of their own guilt; and the whole was an handwriting of ordinances against them. Moreover, the law being called a schoolmaster, shows that the use of it was but temporary, and its duration but for a time; children are not always to be under, nor designed to be always under a schoolmaster, no longer than till they are come to a proper age for greater business and higher exercises of life; so the law was to continue, and did continue, to be of this use and service.


from Meyers NT commentary
that the law prepared those belonging to it for the future reception of Christian salvation (justification by faith) in such a manner that, by virtue of the principle of sin which it excited, it continually brought about and promoted transgressions (Galatians 3:19; Romans 7:5 ff.), thereby held the people in moral bondage (in the φρουρά, Galatians 3:23), and by producing at the same time the acknowledgment of sin (Romans 3:20) powerfully brought home to the heart (Romans 7:24) the sense of guilt and of the need of redemption from the divine wrath (Romans 4:15),—a redemption which, with our natural moral impotence, was not possible by means of the law itself (Romans 3:19 f., Romans 8:3)

from Matthew Henry
And as ministers are to set an example, others must follow them, as far as they follow Christ in faith and practice. Christians may mistake and differ in their views, but Christ and Christian truth are the same yesterday, to-day, and for ever. Whenever the gospel is effectual, it comes not in word only, but also in power, by the Holy Spirit, quickening dead sinners, delivering persons from the slavery of sin and Satan, renewing them both inwardly and outwardly, and comforting, strengthening, and establishing the saints, which cannot be done by the persuasive language of men, but by the power of God


And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.


The law of Moses is for our education, though we are not "under" it, as we are of the New Covenant. Yet being under the New does not take the place of how we learned about God and how we came to Christ. We are so blessed we are under grace and without knowing the Old, can not truly appreciate the new, in my opinion.
My argument is both

Before and after