Galatian Conundrums
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Jesus " unless a man be born again he can not enter the kingdom of God"
Paulines "see,there it is ,more Jesus doublespeak,He preached the kingdom not grace,so that born again mess was for jews in the earthly kingdom"
Or here is a good pauline creative distortion "Jesus was talking about the resurrection of the Jews"
Man, i can write their script better than they!!
Viva Jesus disenfranchisement movement !!!
Paulines "see,there it is ,more Jesus doublespeak,He preached the kingdom not grace,so that born again mess was for jews in the earthly kingdom"
Or here is a good pauline creative distortion "Jesus was talking about the resurrection of the Jews"
Man, i can write their script better than they!!
Viva Jesus disenfranchisement movement !!!
You are putting words in my mouth, or turning them inside out. You tried to use Staphen as an example, when he was not directly told. SO if someone Jesus never met dosen't perfectly follow His orders you are imply none do? No, not what I said. also; That actually goes against the command in Mat 28, because if they are teaching others what they were taught a part of the would be to bring the whole message to the 12.
Well I believe Jesus is the Shepherd, you can throw Jesus out, I would not advise it, but the way I see things Jesus is the one we musy fiollow.
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
John 5:43, "I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. "
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
John 5:43, "I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. "
OK again, do you know if he ever left? Josephus recorcord Peter in Ephesus... Had to be some gentiles there, at least one or two? Also No just becuase people live within the borders of Israel does not make them not gentiles and if the converts are as you say how come Jesus and the law is only for Jews but converts should not be preached to? Does not make sense.
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It never will make sense.
You have to assume,like they,there are 2 gospels.
One of law to the jews,which all the apostles were in error of.
And then the gospel of grace that ONLY paul had.
That is their heartbeat and pillar of their doctrine.
Once you accept it,and make verses form fit it,you will be one of them.
You have to assume,like they,there are 2 gospels.
One of law to the jews,which all the apostles were in error of.
And then the gospel of grace that ONLY paul had.
That is their heartbeat and pillar of their doctrine.
Once you accept it,and make verses form fit it,you will be one of them.
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Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
John 10:27-30, " 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
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Indeed. I have to log off but I agree with what you are saying, I feel like it comes from the place of "Jesus is the way" where others are making a religion deviod of Jesus.
John 10:15-16, " 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
John 10:15-16, " 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
Lets play this out. Peter,in Galatians is said to have withdrawn into the Jewish brethren or circumcision as if fearing the jewish peer pressure to see the gentiles as impure or defective.
Paul sees this and rebukes him.
Why? Since peter is of the gospel of the law and had no revelation of a gentile inclusion,would he not be expected to adhere to the law and the jew?
See,it makes no sense that peter was oblivious to the revelation he recieved in the sheet vision that the gospel included the gentiles.
Paul sees this and rebukes him.
Why? Since peter is of the gospel of the law and had no revelation of a gentile inclusion,would he not be expected to adhere to the law and the jew?
See,it makes no sense that peter was oblivious to the revelation he recieved in the sheet vision that the gospel included the gentiles.
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For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.”
Acts 3:26 NASB
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16 NASB
Thanks to our beloved and merciful Lord and Savior, we all get to be His people in our circumcised, repentant and humble, hearts. Praise the Lord, we are grafted in, all eager to trust and obey, fully surrendering. We all get to call on our Lord. Wow....how blessed we are to be united with and in Him.
Acts 3:26 NASB
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16 NASB
Thanks to our beloved and merciful Lord and Savior, we all get to be His people in our circumcised, repentant and humble, hearts. Praise the Lord, we are grafted in, all eager to trust and obey, fully surrendering. We all get to call on our Lord. Wow....how blessed we are to be united with and in Him.
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I usually ignore comments like this but oh well. The book of Galatians records events that took place a few years after the council recorded in Acts 15 and years after Peter`s vision in Acts 10. You accuse us of things we never said. You beat your fist at the air.
You think you outdebate us by reinterpreting what we have said to fit your narrative. You a Democrate? You work for the liberal news?
You think you outdebate us by reinterpreting what we have said to fit your narrative. You a Democrate? You work for the liberal news?
That is why I was asking you a question there, chill.
My point is that
My point is that
- The 12 stayed in Jerusalem throughout the persecution.
- Those who left only preached to Jews
As stated many times, the Jerusalem Council event in Acts 15 was ONLY about the Gentiles, not the Jews, being exempted from the Law.
As Acts 21 showed, the Jews were still expected to be zealous of the Law throughout Acts. Peter is a Jew so being associated with the Gentiles was still against the Law. I understand his awkwardness and hesitancy there.
As Acts 21 showed, the Jews were still expected to be zealous of the Law throughout Acts. Peter is a Jew so being associated with the Gentiles was still against the Law. I understand his awkwardness and hesitancy there.
Here is acts 10
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
So we see the same revelation given to paul was also given to peter
There is no 2 gospel mess.
You made it up
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
So we see the same revelation given to paul was also given to peter
There is no 2 gospel mess.
You made it up
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