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KJV1611

KJV1611

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eternally-gratefull said:
Thats regeneration of our bodies not our souls.
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Yeah, that's not true. You're wearing dispensational glasses so you're still waiting for Jesus to sit on the throne of his glory. I'm not even going to get into that with you. :)

Read the ONLY 2 places where regeneration is mentioned in the bible. Both are talking about the SAME REGENERATION and NEITHER have anything to do with regenerated bodies. But based on previous conversations with you, you wont see it... take off those glasses so you can see the truth!
 
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[QUOTE="eternally-gratefull said:
I do not agree

Quickened means given life, or having life restored, it is because we have forgiveness of sin we are made alive
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But according to GB9, being made alive, regeneration is a process.

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gb9 said:
regeneration- the act or PROCESS of being regenerated . same thing I say, because that is a part of that definition. a process.


and , I do not what oncefallen said. that is why now that I have given you the definition you asked for, I wil now leave, so you can rant about this definition is wrong ( it is not, but you will say it is).

gb9 out.
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KJV1611

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Macabeus said:
I can’t help it you guys think you have to wait x ammount of time to be saved.

Like @eternally-gratefull said, if you not regenerated, you not saved, Bo

@UnderGrace

@gb9.

Why did you like a post that denies regeneration. Look below and see what your buddy says about it.

And GB9 you did say instant regeneration is a big fat lie, then changed your stance
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You're OBVIOUSLY not reading any of my posts. I have REPEATEDLY SAID that REGENERATION has absolutely nothing to do with salvation.

And this is your reply to me:

"I can’t help it you guys think you have to wait x ammount of time to be saved"
 
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KJV1611 said:
Yeah, that's not true. You're wearing dispensational glasses so you're still waiting for Jesus to sit on the throne of his glory. I'm not even going to get into that with you. :)

Read the ONLY 2 places where regeneration is mentioned in the bible. Both are talking about the SAME REGENERATION and NEITHER have anything to do with regenerated bodies. But based on previous conversations with you, you wont see it... take off those glasses so you can see the truth!
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😂
 
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KJV1611 said:
You're OBVIOUSLY not reading any of my posts. REGENERATION has absolutely nothing to do with salvation.

And this is your reply to me:

"I can’t help it you guys think you have to wait x ammount of time to be saved"
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Yeah, you and GB9 say that, but you’re wrong. Regeneration means new birth. We have a new birth recreation when we believe, and the kosmos will also experience a regeneration
 
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Macabeus said:
Yeah, you and GB9 say that, but you’re wrong. Regeneration means new birth. We have a new birth recreation when we believe, and the kosmos will also experience a regeneration
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Left field - I'm ignoring this.
 
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Macabeus said:
@Lightskin. Yes you did like a post that claimed the doctrine of regeneration is works based salvation. tell me who “liked” the following post, and then click on the link that GB9 calls works salvation, and tell me what I’m talking about.

😂

Cue the crickets
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Responding to a post doesn’t always mean you agree with every word. Just saying.
 
dcontroversal

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eternally-gratefull said:
If your not regenerated (born again) your still dead in your sins and not saved
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An interesting concept......there must be something already there for it to regenerate.........think about that truth.......like a tree......I have cut thousands of trees down over the last 35 years.....and the stump will sit there and after a while new shoots will start out of that seemingly dead stump and grow a new tree.....NOT all, but MANY.....now think on this concept.....

David's 1st born with Bathsheba.....David speaks of his personal salvation in the present tense and states clearly that he will GO to that child that died at one week of age and SEE that child and BE with that child.

The bible states that the WICKED go astray from the WOMB, but also states that GOD calls the saved or those with special purpose from the WOMB

PAUL said he was ALIVE once without the LAW and when SIN REVIVED, HE DIED <----He did not die physically....so there is only one other option.......

Born spiritually alive, DIES due to SIN reviving due to the law, then had to BE REGENERATED dia the NEW Birth by the SPIRIT and from above.....

Almost like someone's heart stopping and needing to be restarted through electric shock.......<---just for comparison

Just thinking out loud.....
 
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Lightskin said:
Responding to a post doesn’t always mean you agree with every word. Just saying.
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I would never like a post that contained such a blatant error taught regeneration is not part of salvation. Like you can be saved without being regenerated.
 
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dcontroversal said:
An interesting concept......there must be something already there for it to regenerate.........think about that truth.......like a tree......I have cut thousands of trees down over the last 35 years.....and the stump will sit there and after a while new shoots will start out of that seemingly dead stump and grow a new tree.....NOT all, but MANY.....now think on this concept.....

David's 1st born with Bathsheba.....David speaks of his personal salvation in the present tense and states clearly that he will GO to that child that died at one week of age and SEE that child and BE with that child.

The bible states that the WICKED go astray from the WOMB, but also states that GOD calls the saved or those with special purpose from the WOMB

PAUL said he was ALIVE once without the LAW and when SIN REVIVED, HE DIED <----He did not die physically....so there is only one other option.......

Born spiritually alive, DIES due to SIN reviving due to the law, then had to BE REGENERATED dia the NEW Birth by the SPIRIT and from above.....

Almost like someone's heart stopping and needing to be restarted through electric shock.......<---just for comparison

Just thinking out loud.....
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Born spiritually alive, huh? 😂
 
dcontroversal

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Lightskin said:
Responding to a post doesn’t always mean you agree with every word. Just saying.
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AMEN......some times I like a post because I agree with something in that post and not necessarily the whole post.......The guy that stuck a feather in his hat has gone to seed on this.......but hey......Modus Operandi
 
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dcontroversal said:
AMEN......some times I like a post because I agree with something in that post and not necessarily the whole post.......The guy that stuck a feather in his hat has gone to seed on this.......but hey......Modus Operandi
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So you agree with posts that teach salvation maintaining and salvation without regeneration? Because of what? What was in the post you agreed with? 😂

Want the links?
 
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gb9 said:
regeneration is not what your phony lordship junk teaches. saved by grace, proved by works.

trash.

yes, I personally believe in regeneration, but you push INSTANT regeneration, that is a big fat lie.


it looks different for everyone. some folks are instantly regenerated , some it takes times for the Fruits of the Sprit to began to manifest.

all are saved the instant they believe, and stay so as long as they believe.

regeneration is a separate conversation.
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What did you agree with here? The red herrings, strawman arguments, or the incoherent doctrine of regeneration is not part of salvation?

Did you agree with the conflation of regeneration with sanctification?

Did you agree with the strawman I’d “salvation proved by works”. Never said it

Did you agree that regeneration is not instant? That you are not regenerate until you produce fruit. ( he said for some regeneration is instant, for others it takes time to bear fruit)

What exactly in this mess of a gb9’s post did you agree wih?
 
KJV1611

KJV1611

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Macabeus said:
Have you ever read the Bible cover to cover? You don’t seem to know the thread of redemption
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I have. Our views differ because I believe every word as it is written, and you change the words to say what you want them to say.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Thanks Blue.....Back at ya my cat loving friend......

P.S......I love cats as well HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHA I am like a Pharaoh walking down my 250 yard drive way with cats following me all the way HAHAHHAHA
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My cat used to walk with me to work and then stop at a very busy intersection and would be waiting there at 3:30 in the afternoon when I walked back home everyday and one day when he was not there I panicked..... he was locked in the neighbors garage.:(

Uncanny animals they are!!
 
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For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

ALIVE and then DIED <----HE was very much ALIVE physically when he wrote this, and had NOT died PHYSICALLY nor been resurrected.....

THERE is ONLY ONE OPTION LEFT!!!!!

When one willingly rejects the truth, truth like found above......NOTHING they say has any relevance........exactly why the drivel gets IGNORED
 
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