Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Do you expect an answer to that one?
I was hoping for a better answer than i got last time, which never really answered the question.
Saying we should obey is not the issue, and that answer he kept giving ,well duh, yes we should obey, but that was not the question.
I think he is still mad because i said god created his creation to love and serve them
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By faith in Christ i am justified.
By faith in Christ i am sanctified.
Christ perfectly obeyed the law and when He imparts that character changing work in me i become like Him. I don't obey (i can't obey) to earn salvation or to be good enough, i obey because Christ is transforming me into His image (sanctification).
Do you believe Christ wants to impart His character to us.
Imparted righteousness is different to imputed righteousness.
By faith in Christ i am sanctified.
Christ perfectly obeyed the law and when He imparts that character changing work in me i become like Him. I don't obey (i can't obey) to earn salvation or to be good enough, i obey because Christ is transforming me into His image (sanctification).
Do you believe Christ wants to impart His character to us.
Imparted righteousness is different to imputed righteousness.
Do you believe that Rest is working at the law?
When you go back and work at the law, in direct contradiction to the apostles, do you think it is making a mockery of what Christ gives us when we come to Him?
Are you really justified, are you really sanctified, when you tell Christ He isn't doing that great of a job at making you Righteous so you're going to have take up the slack and REALLY start obeying that law???
Don't you believe?
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The law isn't established by you working at it. That way already failed. The law is established by your faith in Christ.
When you go back and work at the law, in direct contradiction to the apostles, do you think it is making a mockery of what Christ gives us when we come to Him?
Are you really justified, are you really sanctified, when you tell Christ He isn't doing that great of a job at making you Righteous so you're going to have take up the slack and REALLY start obeying that law???
Don't you believe?
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The law isn't established by you working at it. That way already failed. The law is established by your faith in Christ.
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That's the problem when "dealing" with EG! It's not that many are failing to see what he sees. Many already see what he sees, and it's not a good place to be.
I don't think he can preach, or even discuss "his" truth, without exposing the "oppressive nature" of the ravening wolf, or wolves that lie just beneath the surface of his sheepskin.
This oft times occurs when dealing with "control freaks"
He thinks everyone who doesn't, or aren't persuaded by him, have just not accepted Christ.
Any advancings, or "pressing onwards" to the high calling of God, in Christ, or any "coveting earnestly" higher Spiritual gifts, or any "spiritual sacrificing/s" "acceptable to God by Christ?" (as one is confessed before the Father of Christ, as Christ is confessed before men), are, it seems to him? Just not necessary. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Round and round and round and round.
He, as well as others, are under the impression that people like myself are "denying" Christ! This is not true!
It's the "leave your cross with Jesus as you are confessed before the Father" mentality that's "really at issue."
Christ, being the High Priest of God, will take one to His Father!
What good is to come should one never "come unto the Father?"
2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
What has this to do with Mosaic Law?
When the LORD gave unto Israel, the "gift" of a bountiful harvest from the earth, for sticking to their end of "the contract?"
What was Israel to do "during the harvesting?"
An "offering" of "firstfruits?"
Same thing with the "fruit of the Spirit!"
SAME THING!
A "conscious self willed offering!"
I don't think he can preach, or even discuss "his" truth, without exposing the "oppressive nature" of the ravening wolf, or wolves that lie just beneath the surface of his sheepskin.
This oft times occurs when dealing with "control freaks"
He thinks everyone who doesn't, or aren't persuaded by him, have just not accepted Christ.
Any advancings, or "pressing onwards" to the high calling of God, in Christ, or any "coveting earnestly" higher Spiritual gifts, or any "spiritual sacrificing/s" "acceptable to God by Christ?" (as one is confessed before the Father of Christ, as Christ is confessed before men), are, it seems to him? Just not necessary. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Round and round and round and round.
He, as well as others, are under the impression that people like myself are "denying" Christ! This is not true!
It's the "leave your cross with Jesus as you are confessed before the Father" mentality that's "really at issue."
Christ, being the High Priest of God, will take one to His Father!
What good is to come should one never "come unto the Father?"
2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
What has this to do with Mosaic Law?
When the LORD gave unto Israel, the "gift" of a bountiful harvest from the earth, for sticking to their end of "the contract?"
What was Israel to do "during the harvesting?"
An "offering" of "firstfruits?"
Same thing with the "fruit of the Spirit!"
SAME THING!
A "conscious self willed offering!"
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That's the problem when "dealing" with EG! It's not that many are failing to see what he sees. Many already see what he sees, and it's not a good place to be.
I don't think he can preach, or even discuss "his" truth, without exposing the "oppressive nature" of the ravening wolf, or wolves that lie just beneath the surface of his sheepskin.
This oft times occurs when dealing with "control freaks"
He thinks everyone who doesn't, or aren't persuaded by him, have just not accepted Christ.
Any advancings, or "pressing onwards" to the high calling of God, in Christ, or any "coveting earnestly" higher Spiritual gifts, or any "spiritual sacrificing/s" "acceptable to God by Christ?" (as one is confessed before the Father of Christ, as Christ is confessed before men), are, it seems to him? Just not necessary. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Round and round and round and round.
He, as well as others, are under the impression that people like myself are "denying" Christ! This is not true!
It's the "leave your cross with Jesus as you are confessed before the Father" mentality that's "really at issue."
Christ, being the High Priest of God, will take one to His Father!
What good is to come should one never "come unto the Father?"
2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
What has this to do with Mosaic Law?
When the LORD gave unto Israel, the "gift" of a bountiful harvest from the earth, for sticking to their end of "the contract?"
What was Israel to do "during the harvesting?"
An "offering" of "firstfruits?"
Same thing with the "fruit of the Spirit!"
SAME THING!
A "conscious self willed offering!"
I don't think he can preach, or even discuss "his" truth, without exposing the "oppressive nature" of the ravening wolf, or wolves that lie just beneath the surface of his sheepskin.
This oft times occurs when dealing with "control freaks"
He thinks everyone who doesn't, or aren't persuaded by him, have just not accepted Christ.
Any advancings, or "pressing onwards" to the high calling of God, in Christ, or any "coveting earnestly" higher Spiritual gifts, or any "spiritual sacrificing/s" "acceptable to God by Christ?" (as one is confessed before the Father of Christ, as Christ is confessed before men), are, it seems to him? Just not necessary. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Round and round and round and round.
He, as well as others, are under the impression that people like myself are "denying" Christ! This is not true!
It's the "leave your cross with Jesus as you are confessed before the Father" mentality that's "really at issue."
Christ, being the High Priest of God, will take one to His Father!
What good is to come should one never "come unto the Father?"
2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
What has this to do with Mosaic Law?
When the LORD gave unto Israel, the "gift" of a bountiful harvest from the earth, for sticking to their end of "the contract?"
What was Israel to do "during the harvesting?"
An "offering" of "firstfruits?"
Same thing with the "fruit of the Spirit!"
SAME THING!
A "conscious self willed offering!"
Then a blind guy comes in and asks "Why is this guy yelling?" "He must not understand that yelling is not the way of the gospel"
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