Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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Romans 5:16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. 18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
Just as UnitedWithChrist has stated: *The context of Romans is all men in Adam and all men in Christ. All men in Adam are condemned, and all men in Christ are justified.
You are reading everything with universalism and type 2 works salvation lenses when it is not there. I understand about Adam's disobedience bringing condemnation to everyone. Romans 5:12 - Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned. I also understand that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) and that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:23). The gift of eternal life is not automatically given to all men apart from faith in Christ, as you erroneously teach.
Yes.
Yes, ALL men in Adam.
Except that it's ALL men in Christ.
That statement is the epitome of IRONY.
So which false religion or cult are you mixed up in? You are thoroughly deceived.
Just as UnitedWithChrist has stated: *The context of Romans is all men in Adam and all men in Christ. All men in Adam are condemned, and all men in Christ are justified.
You are reading everything with universalism and type 2 works salvation lenses when it is not there. I understand about Adam's disobedience bringing condemnation to everyone. Romans 5:12 - Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned. I also understand that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) and that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:23). The gift of eternal life is not automatically given to all men apart from faith in Christ, as you erroneously teach.
Yes.
Yes, ALL men in Adam.
Except that it's ALL men in Christ.
That statement is the epitome of IRONY.
So which false religion or cult are you mixed up in? You are thoroughly deceived.
IN CHRIST: the subset
This is made absolutely clear in so many places in Scripture, it beggars the imagination that anybody is confused on the matter.
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What about the scripture saith not the Greek says? In order to be justified, you have to believe in Jesus.
Romans 3:24-26 says:
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 3:24-26 says:
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
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Then, will you admit that all scriptures must harmonize in order to be the doctrine that Jesus taught? Its just like a puzzle, if you leave a piece out, or force a piece to fit where it does not belong, you will never be able to complete the picture. Surly you are not one of those who ignores those scriptures that you can not explain.
The problem is the idea that one is eternally saved while still living in this flesh.
1 Tim 5:7Give these instructions to the believers, so that they will be above reproach. 8If anyone does not provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
You can not be worse than unbeliever and still hold on to eternally saved card.
1 Tim 5:7Give these instructions to the believers, so that they will be above reproach. 8If anyone does not provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
You can not be worse than unbeliever and still hold on to eternally saved card.
Does the same verse mean Adam's act of disobedience made condemnation available for all people too?
Ephesians 2:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
By Grace Through Faith
2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
We deserve condemnation just like all the rest of the world. But we have been justified by Grace through faith, and made NEW creations. in Him.
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Well, then this verse can not mean something different than what it says:
Rom 5:18Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
Just as/ also = In the same manner
If condemnation was brought to all men and not merely being made available, also justification and life was brought to all men and not merely being made available. It can not be what you teach here.
So, it is upon you to think why not all men are eventually saved rather than to twist scripture to fit to your idea of salvation.
Rom 5:18Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
Just as/ also = In the same manner
If condemnation was brought to all men and not merely being made available, also justification and life was brought to all men and not merely being made available. It can not be what you teach here.
So, it is upon you to think why not all men are eventually saved rather than to twist scripture to fit to your idea of salvation.
Sure it can. Adam's ONE SIN is imputed to ALL people who are born in the flesh. Jesus' ONE ACT of substitutionary death and subsequent resurrection, is justification to ALL who are born again of the Spirit.
You MUST be born again. EVERY person you see who does not believe, and has not been born again, are DEAD, and condemned already.
Maybe this misunderstanding by you is why you believe you have to work to attain or maintain your salvation. Otherwise, I'd say you were a universalist that believes EVERY HUMAN will be saved.