Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Mosaic law is the law given to moses in exodus and deuteronomy
Yes, the first 5 books is called by hebrews the law or torah, but that is not the context of this thread. Once again, please stick to contect.
This thread does not ask if the 1st 5 books needs to be kept, it asks of the oaw of moses needs to be kept.
Mosaic law is the law given to moses in exodus and deuteronomy
Yes, the first 5 books is called by hebrews the law or torah, but that is not the context of this thread. Once again, please stick to contect.
This thread does not ask if the 1st 5 books needs to be kept, it asks of the oaw of moses needs to be kept.
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The law was not established in my heart, until i came to faith it has to bring us all to faith, or many, like Isreal, and their misinterpretation of the law, will reject christ in their hearts, (they crucified him) and even if they do not outright reject him but have just mental belief. They still have not found him not have they established the law. Because at this point, the law is not yet fulfilled in them.
Thats the one part you fail to realise
And this is what paul is saying
When the schoolmaster leads me to faith, it is established to be truth, it is made to stand, it is fulfilled in my life
It does not mean it is done away.
This is how my faith establishes the law. I was praying you would see this, but even now, i doubt you will
Thats the one part you fail to realise
And this is what paul is saying
When the schoolmaster leads me to faith, it is established to be truth, it is made to stand, it is fulfilled in my life
It does not mean it is done away.
This is how my faith establishes the law. I was praying you would see this, but even now, i doubt you will
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Whatever
Younare evasive and argumentative
And no different than others who have come before and tried to argue your case.
When non law keepers say the law does not have to be kept, they say the law as given to moses during the exodus, not the first 5 books
Since this thread is a statement against this thinking, it must be taken in context, of the law given to moses including the commands, the ceremonies, and then he festivals.
Younare evasive and argumentative
And no different than others who have come before and tried to argue your case.
When non law keepers say the law does not have to be kept, they say the law as given to moses during the exodus, not the first 5 books
Since this thread is a statement against this thinking, it must be taken in context, of the law given to moses including the commands, the ceremonies, and then he festivals.
Your argument woud work better if you had scripture references and some direct quotes for your contentions.
As is it all sounds disconnected.
What you are trying to tell me has nothing to do with the law. You are talking about the circumcision of the heart which is the action of God`s Spirit within you. It is the thing that creates the new nature and having the new nature doesn`t mean you`ve established the law. You don`t establish your own law and you can`t keep the righteusness of the law unless you know at a little bit about it. Study is necessary.
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
As is it all sounds disconnected.
What you are trying to tell me has nothing to do with the law. You are talking about the circumcision of the heart which is the action of God`s Spirit within you. It is the thing that creates the new nature and having the new nature doesn`t mean you`ve established the law. You don`t establish your own law and you can`t keep the righteusness of the law unless you know at a little bit about it. Study is necessary.
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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If I am argumentative it is because I seem to be battling everybody here. If I seem evasive its because I`m not a fast typer and have limits as to how much matereal I can respond to, hence I complain sometimes when I am bombarded with irrelevant questions.
Have it your way. Maybe Moses only wrote two books.
Have it your way. Maybe Moses only wrote two books.
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I was hoping you knew enough of scripture you could see what inwas saying and the light would go off, but it also gave you 1 more chance to deflect and refuse to listen
Gal 3 -
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
As you can see, and as i have said many times, The law is given to prove to everyone who does not keep every word, they are under a curse, and it also shows what must be accomplished to remove that curse (blood) (by the way paul quotes moses words when he gave the law, and james agrees, when he says if we can keep every word yet fail in one point we are guilty.. do i need to post those verses also, or do you already know them? If you do jot, i can post them!
So when i have come to faith, i have established the law in that
1. I acknowledge i have failed to keep gods standard, and because of my actions am under the curse of the law, which is death
2. There is only one means of atonement of my sin, and that is the death of the sacrificial animal who was innocent and pure without defect,
3. Jesus fulfilled th law, as he never brok one command, he kept gods standard
4. As such, he is the perfect lamb without blemish that was sacrified for my atonement
When i have assurance of these things, and have trust that these are true, i do what jesus jesus said, and come to FAITH in christ (not just mere belief)
When this is accomplished, i establish the law. As true and faithful
Which was the purpose of the law to begin with
Again, gal 3:
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
So you see
The law is established by my faith because it led me to christ
Are you led to christ? If not, then yes, you need to study the law, because it has not yet proven to you your need.
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I missed this post earlier. I love it 
Paul was Jewish as Jew can be. He was a high ranking Pharisee, a scholar, a torah observant expert who often taught and quoted from the torah. He always preached to Jews first and his churches were mixtures of Gentiles and Jews with a very Jewish church culture. This is what he said about himself.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
That is Paul`s own summation of himself.
Paul was Jewish as Jew can be. He was a high ranking Pharisee, a scholar, a torah observant expert who often taught and quoted from the torah. He always preached to Jews first and his churches were mixtures of Gentiles and Jews with a very Jewish church culture. This is what he said about himself.4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
That is Paul`s own summation of himself.
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Has anyone seen @SimpleGardner lately?