THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

[iamsoandso]

That's who KJ meant I think...

 

[KJV1611]

That could be referring to John the Baptist.

Yes it is talking about John the Baptist.

 

[VCO]

Psa 139:16 (KJV) Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

I’m not posting this to discuss yet, I just want to know if you can see that this is talking about the body of Christ... not his literal body, although I believe that does apply too, but I mean his body of believers that were ALL written down in Gods book of life.

No problem if you don’t see it, then I’ll go another route.

I think you are RIGHT if it is referring to the assembly with His Disciples in the wilderneress, if I understand you correctly.

Acts 7:38 (HCSB)
38 He is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors. He received living oracles to give to us.

Matthew 18:20 (HCSB)
20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there among them.”

I know you are a KJV only person, and I respect that. Do you know why I LIKE like to use the "Holmans Christian Standard Bible"?

Because they are not afraid to CALL HIM YAHWEH.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
10 “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
11 I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Psa 139:16 (KJV) Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
I’m not posting this to discuss yet, I just want to know if you can see that this is talking about the body of Christ... not his literal body, although I believe that does apply too, but I mean his body of believers that were ALL written down in Gods book of life.
No problem if you don’t see it, then I’ll go another route.

… do you remember when I mentioned:

--"FROM [G575 - apo] the foundation of the world"

[Q: who (or, who all) does scripture say THIS ^ pertains to/involves? A:____________ ]


--"BEFORE [G4253 - pro] the foundation of the world"

[Q: who (or, who all) does scripture say THIS ^ pertains to/involves? A:____________ ]


...I did cover the general idea briefly, in my recent posts (though, in order to cut down on the length of my posts, which have been long enough already , I didn't go into full explanation there but do expect the interested reader to examine the point I'm touching on there, by my mentioning these and their distinctions.)


[aside from the fact that by now my fingers are falling off! ]

Thanks.

 

[Noose]

They spoke of the "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]"... (Job well-knew of THIS one! Daniel well-knew of THIS one! Abraham well-knew of THIS one! Martha well-knew of THIS one! IT WAS NO MYSTERY! ALL OT saints WELL-KNEW of THIS one! [It pertains to them, so why shouldn't they have known of it??])



When Paul wrote, "I show you a mystery"... and then said "THIS corruptible" and "THIS mortal," ... the "THIS corruptible" speaks in particular of the "resurrection [to stand again]" of those who have DIED "IN CHRIST" (that part of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [note again EPH1:20-23 WHEN] who have previously DIED [but not all saints in the OT, here, as this is not the CONTEXT for that, Paul is speaking of "THIS corruptible [the dead IN CHRIST (of the "ONE BODY"/"ONE NEW MAN")]"!])... and "THIS mortal" [same as 2Cor5:2-4!!] speaks of the "still-living/alive" portion of "the Church which is His body"... and how both together will be "changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" (at the last trumpet [note: not the "7th [judgment] trumpet" of Rev])... i.e. pertaining to OUR Rapture (not the OT saints' resurrection, nor the Trib saints' resurrection... and this has to do with those two Grk words I pointed out in the last post [<--IOW, there doesn't remain only ONE, per those specific words, in their specific contexts... and also considering the examination of the "chronology"])


[again, this also pertains to the "BEFORE the foundation of the world" and the "FROM the foundation of the world" distinctions! (to whom they distinctly pertain)]

Excuse me, what event is Daniel speaking of here?

Dan 12:
1“At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens,a and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever.

4But you, Daniel, shut up these words and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will roam to and fro, and knowledge will increase.”

 

[Noose]

Luk 16:16 (KJV) The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

I take that to mean that NO ONE from John forward gave any NEW information that wasn’t already mentioned in the Old Testament.

Yes. The law and the prophets prophesied about everything whose culmination was the church. The apostles explained those prophesies.

 

[Noose]

and where,pray tell did this mess originate???

The war is about principalities and powers and not about flesh and blood. The antichrist who has been since the time of the apostles, working to cast the truth to the ground in those that do not hold to the teachings of the apostles.

I need a link to some ministry teaching this.
Not just a individual opinion.

The ministry is the bible.

 

[Absolutely]

The war is about principalities and powers and not about flesh and blood. The antichrist who has been since the time of the apostles, working to cast the truth to the ground in those that do not hold to the teachings of the apostles.

The ministry is the bible.

I take it then,you are alone in your beliefs since the revelation you are expressing is yours alone.
No other ministry backs up your "revelation"?

 

[Absolutely]

Red flags abound when the revelation is special and the rest of the body is labeled "clueless".

The reason :
2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Is because we are a body,and God gives us all revelation.

So anytime i see lone rangers with no grounding in other ministries i know they are off.
God does Not move in those methods.

It is a body. Body of many individuals.
Same God speaking.
Not so many with ears to hear.
The bible is a part.
God is bigger.
The bible misinterpreted is what we see. (Intellect trying to understand).
The bible is not a mental book.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Excuse me, what event is Daniel speaking of here?
Dan 12:1“At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens,a and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever.

4But you, Daniel, shut up these words and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will roam to and fro, and knowledge will increase.”

Can you do me a favor (saving me some additional typing ) by checking out a previous post of mine (pertaining to how I would respond to your Q):

Post #802 (page 41), my first paragraph there - https://christianchat.com/threads/t...to-the-wedding-of-the-lamb.95283/post-4016906

… paying att'n to some of those passages listed also containing the word "TILL/UNTIL" and taking note of the brief bracketed comments I made there after each reference.

The passage you quoted above is often made to be saying basically the equivalent of what [subject] verse 13 of that same chapter is saying [in Dan12], but it is not.

Additionally, I believe the part in v.4b saying "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased," I believe refers specifically to Israel coming into understanding of prophetic truths [context referring time-wise covering the 2nd half of the future trib yrs, per vv.6-7,1, and vv.11,12... (well-after "the Church which is His body" has been raptured out)], including the precise timing revealed therein (that is, in Dan12 as it corresponds both with Revelation's time-stamps and their own Hebrew calendar/significant dates pertaining to them [corresponding to the very specific wording found in this chpt, involving the answer to "how long" expressed in v.6]--IOW, at that future time [within the trib yrs], "the WISE [among Israel]" [those who will have come to faith WITHIN the trib yrs (FOLLOWING our Rapture)] will come to "UNDERSTAND" certain specific things that will elude others... and will be tasked with the v.3 things )

 

[Noose]

I take it then,you are alone in your beliefs since the revelation you are expressing is yours alone.
No other ministry backs up your "revelation"?

When did the bible become a groupie thing?

 

[Noose]

Can you do me a favor (saving me some additional typing ) by checking out a previous post of mine (pertaining to how I would respond to your Q):

Post #802 (page 41), my first paragraph there - https://christianchat.com/threads/t...to-the-wedding-of-the-lamb.95283/post-4016906

… paying att'n to some of those passages listed also containing the word "TILL/UNTIL" and taking note of the brief bracketed comments I made there after each reference.

The passage you quoted above is often made to be saying basically the equivalent of what [subject] verse 13 of that same chapter is saying [in Dan12], but it is not.

Additionally, I believe the part in v.4b saying "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased," I believe refers specifically to Israel coming into understanding of prophetic truths [context referring time-wise covering the 2nd half of the future trib yrs, per vv.6-7,1, and vv.11,12... (well-after "the Church which is His body" has been raptured out)], including the precise timing revealed therein (that is, in Dan12 as it corresponds both with Revelation's time-stamps and their own Hebrew calendar/significant dates pertaining to them [corresponding to the very specific wording found in this chpt, involving the answer to "how long" expressed in v.6]--IOW, at that future time [within the trib yrs], "the WISE [among Israel]" [those who will have come to faith WITHIN the trib yrs (FOLLOWING our Rapture)] will come to "UNDERSTAND" certain specific things that will elude others... and will be tasked with the v.3 things )

Are you suggesting that there will a resurrection event only for Jews? Because Daniel is clearly talking about resurrection, some to everlasting life and some to condemnation- are these only Jews?

 

[Noose]

Red flags abound when the revelation is special and the rest of the body is labeled "clueless".

The reason :
2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Is because we are a body,and God gives us all revelation.

So anytime i see lone rangers with no grounding in other ministries i know they are off.
God does Not move in those methods.

It is a body. Body of many individuals.
Same God speaking.
Not so many with ears to hear.
The bible is a part.
God is bigger.
The bible misinterpreted is what we see. (Intellect trying to understand).
The bible is not a mental book.

This is no defense for your doctrine(s).
Still no rapture:

John 17:
15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17Sanctify them by d the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.
20“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens,a and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and ever.

Are you suggesting that there will a resurrection event only for Jews? Because Daniel is clearly talking about resurrection, some to everlasting life and some to condemnation- are these only Jews?

Did you read my bracketed comments?

Did you read the verses (in I think 4 of the passages) that refer to "TILL/UNTIL"?? (what point are these words making?)

Did you see where I'd written about "Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED" ? (and the distinction between Rom9:26/Hos1:10 about Israel and that of Rom9:25/Hos2:23b about the Gentiles, and how this pertains to the subject under discussion?)

Do you recall my mentioning that "the beginning of birth PANGS" pertains to Israel (like also in your oft-quoted Isaiah 26:16-21 passage [see the "awake [H6974]" word in both this passage and Dan12:2], which passage I also mentioned in that post... that it is not referring to a resurrection from being formerly-physically DEAD, JUST LIKE in ROMANS 11:15 [ABOUT ISRAEL's FUTURE!])?... and that the "beginning of birth PANGS" [esp the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]"] ARRIVES at the SAME POINT-IN-TIME that "the man of sin" and the "DOTL" do, at the START of the future 7-yr period...(Isa26 also mentions "BPs")? Do you recall my many posts on that?

 

[Noose]

Did you read my bracketed comments?

Did you read the verses (in I think 4 of the passages) that refer to "TILL/UNTIL"?? (what point are these words making?)

Did you see where I'd written about "Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED" ? (and the distinction between Rom9:26/Hos1:10 about Israel and that of Rom9:25/Hos2:23b about the Gentiles, and how this pertains to the subject under discussion?)

Do you recall my mentioning that "the beginning of birth PANGS" pertains to Israel (like also in your oft-quoted Isaiah 26:16-21 passage [see the "awake [H6974]" word in both this passage and Dan12:2], which passage I also mentioned in that post... that it is not referring to a resurrection from being formerly-physically DEAD, JUST LIKE in ROMANS 11:15 [ABOUT ISRAEL's FUTURE!])?... and that the "beginning of birth PANGS" [esp the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]"] ARRIVES at the SAME POINT-IN-TIME that "the man of sin" and the "DOTL" do, at the START of the future 7-yr period...(Isa26 also mentions "BPs")? Do you recall my many posts on that?

How can 'people awaking from the dust' not mean resurrection?
How can 'the earth will not conseal its dead' not mean resurrection?

I think you need a break and review your doctrine

 

[Melach]

hello brother VCO. i ask this in a spirit of learning, truly with no intention of debate. separate to rapture issue my questions are these:

where does it say Abraham(or some other patriarch) believed God would send a Messiah to pay for our sins.

if there wont be sacrifices in the third temple, how can daniel 9:27 be fulfilled.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

in order for it to cease it must start first right? what am i misunderstanding? thank you VCO. and anyone else who wants to correct me.

@VCO please friend can you say something about this.

 

[garee]

Did you read my bracketed comments?

Did you read the verses (in I think 4 of the passages) that refer to "TILL/UNTIL"?? (what point are these words making?)

Did you see where I'd written about "Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED" ? (and the distinction between Rom9:26/Hos1:10 about Israel and that of Rom9:25/Hos2:23b about the Gentiles, and how this pertains to the subject under discussion?)

Do you recall my mentioning that "the beginning of birth PANGS" pertains to Israel (like also in your oft-quoted Isaiah 26:16-21 passage [see the "awake [H6974]" word in both this passage and Dan12:2], which passage I also mentioned in that post... that it is not referring to a resurrection from being formerly-physically DEAD, JUST LIKE in ROMANS 11:15 [ABOUT ISRAEL's FUTURE!])?... and that the "beginning of birth PANGS" [esp the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]"] ARRIVES at the SAME POINT-IN-TIME that "the man of sin" and the "DOTL" do, at the START of the future 7-yr period...(Isa26 also mentions "BPs")? Do you recall my many posts on that?

We must be carful how we hear if it is our desire to hear Him who has not form.(Not a man)

Which Israel are you referring to? The one defined that has nothing to do with the flesh of a Jew . But does have to do with having the born again Spirit of Christ as the power that works in any man and because of that power over comes.

The Bible informs us if any man has not the Spirit of Christ. (God's holy born again Spirit.) . . then they simply do not belong to him .If men do make it about flesh as that seen (powerless ) then they have made the word of God without effect (no power). Can't serve two master. (1)the flesh seen and (2) the Holy Spirit not seen

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Word have meaning .You cannot just add a new meaning because somehow or other some think salvation has to with the flesh of one nation against another (flesh and blood) without the power of God to overcome.

Words as a law not subject to change have real meaning attached to them . Some who do glory in the flesh ignore .. all Israel is not born again Christianity the new name God named His bride.


That kind of Israel identified as those who previous were identified by a word as unbelievers. (Jacob) Those who wrestle against flesh and blood with no power on behalf of a unseen God working in them to both will and do the good pleasure of God. its never about the flesh of one nation eliminated the flesh of another nation. The word Jacob the deceiver representing the father of lies, the god of this world .The god that causes flesh and blood to wrestle. . . nations to rise up against nations .In order to continue his murderous spree as the serial killer. (No faith)

Jacob the (deceiver) would fit that kind of idea. it the way his named throughout used against the word Israel. They can only become one if a person has the Spirit of Christ.

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

If a person has prevailed(born again) they are the ones we can call Isreal or the new name he named His bride in Acts. "Christians" same kind of word (for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.)

 

[Absolutely]

@VCO please friend can you say something about this.

Ps 22 describes the crucifixion.
Isaiah speaks to the messiah
In the gospels it gives the references to the prophecies concerning Jesus.

"....that it may be fulfilled what was written,not a bone in his body would be broken"
...and many more if you look in the gospels the day of the crucifixion

 

[KJV1611]

… do you remember when I mentioned:

--"FROM [G575 - apo] the foundation of the world"

[Q: who (or, who all) does scripture say THIS ^ pertains to/involves? A:____________ ]


--"BEFORE [G4253 - pro] the foundation of the world"

[Q: who (or, who all) does scripture say THIS ^ pertains to/involves? A:____________ ]


...I did cover the general idea briefly, in my recent posts (though, in order to cut down on the length of my posts, which have been long enough already , I didn't go into full explanation there but do expect the interested reader to examine the point I'm touching on there, by my mentioning these and their distinctions.)


[aside from the fact that by now my fingers are falling off! ]

Thanks.

Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

This pertains to the body of Christ. ALL of the members of the body of Christ are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.
The Old Testament saints are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.

That means that the Old Testament saints are members of the body of Christ.

 

[Absolutely]

@VCO please friend can you say something about this.

We see Jesus in the act of abraham sacrificing his son.
Isaac "what about the sacrifice"

Heaven "you are the sacrifice"

In hebrews it says of abraham "...who believed that even if his son died God would raise him from the dead"

That points to Jesus