The Tribulation and the Church, WHEN?

[azamzimtoti]

Bare in mind I am not a disp... https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+11:11-12&version=KJV

Isaiah 11:11-12 King James Version (KJV)

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

What makes you think the above is still to be fulfilled?

(Luke 24:47 “and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. )

(John 11:52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad. )

(Rom 1:5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name )

(Rom 16:26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith )

Paul is using the fact that the nations are responding to the gospel in his ministry to claim that the ensign has been setup in fulfillment of Isaiah.

And James writes to the 12 tribes/remnant:

(James 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings. )

Isaiah 11:11-12 was fulfilled during the first century. The remnant was recovered, the nations came to know the God of Israel.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Israel worshippers it’s your turn to twist those words to fit dispensationalism.

LOL

 

[KJV1611]

Bare in mind I am not a disp... https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+11:11-12&version=KJV

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

If you look at verse 10 of Isaiah 11 it gives the timing of “that day”.

Isaiah 11 took place when God sent Christ (the root of Jesse) to stand as ensign (standard) for the people and the gentiles sought after him. It’s the time when Christ brought our rest.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

If you look at verse 10 of Isaiah 11 it gives the timing of “that day”.

Isaiah 11 took place when God sent Christ (the root of Jesse) to stand as ensign (standard) for the people and the gentiles sought after him. It’s the time when Christ brought our rest.

Paul virtually quotes Isaiah when looking at the KJV:

(Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.)

(Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.)

 

[KJV1611]

Paul virtually quotes Isaiah when looking at the KJV:

(Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.)

(Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.)

Dispensationalism is a religion in and of itself, it’s not based on scripture it’s based on dispensationalism.

 

[cv5]

Titus 2v13: looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

The blessed hope of the Church is a GLORIOUS APPEARING of Our Dear Lord Jesus, not a secret coming!

You completely contradict yourself at every turn! Lol

Two appearings buddy. Church and Israel. Never....ever confuse the two.

As is so common on this board.

 

[cv5]

Paul virtually quotes Isaiah when looking at the KJV:

(Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.)

(Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.)

What is your point?

 

[azamzimtoti]

Dispensationalism is a religion in and of itself, it’s not based on scripture it’s based on dispensationalism.

Cultists?

Paul uses various OT prophetic verses in his letter to the Romans:

(Rom 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.)

(2 Sam 22:50 Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.)

(Psa 18:49 Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.)

(Rom 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.)

(Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.)

(Rom 15:11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.)

(Psa 117:1 O Praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.)

And Peter claims that all the prophets spoke of the days HE was living in:

(Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.)

 

[cv5]

Cultists?

Paul uses various OT prophetic verses in his letter to the Romans:

(Rom 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.)

(2 Sam 22:50 Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.)

(Psa 18:49 Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.)

(Rom 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.)

(Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.)

(Rom 15:11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.)

(Psa 117:1 O Praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.)

And Peter claims that all the prophets spoke of the HE was living in:

(Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.)

Does the term word salad have any meaning to you?

Anyhoo.....Pre Trib Rapture is obvious. Why oh why are Israelites preaching Christ post Rev chapter3???

 

[azamzimtoti]

What is your point?

It's not my point, it's Paul's point. There is a reason that he quoted the prophet.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Does the term word salad have any meaning to you?

After reading your posts the term becomes very clear

 

[KJV1611]

Cultists?

Paul uses various OT prophetic verses in his letter to the Romans:

(Rom 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.)

(2 Sam 22:50 Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.)

(Psa 18:49 Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.)

(Rom 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.)

(Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.)

(Rom 15:11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.)

(Psa 117:1 O Praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.)

And Peter claims that all the prophets spoke of the days HE was living in:

(Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.)

I don’t think they’re cultist but I do think they fit Romans 1:12 to some extent because they worship the creature (Israel) MORE than the creator.

Rom 1:25 (KJV) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

In almost every instance they will stand for flesh descendants of Israel over the Israel of Fod, the children of the promise.

And it’s also fascinating to me that the definition of an antichrist is one who says that Jesus Christ hasn’t come in the flesh - that’s what unsaved Jews believe.

 

[KJV1611]

Does the term word salad have any meaning to you?

Anyhoo.....Pre Trib Rapture is obvious. Why oh why are Israelites preaching Christ post Rev chapter3???

Probably because most of Revelation is about the first coming of Christ and the destruction of those that hated him - Unsaved Jews.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Probably because most of Revelation is about the first coming of Christ and the destruction of those that hated him - Unsaved Jews.

This is the problem, they've time shifted the OT prophecies and the book of revelation into an indeterminate future while ignoring John's statements that indicate the time placements such as:

(Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.)

(Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.)

The temple was still standing, and the Roman armies spent 42 months in the siege of Jerusalem.

(Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.)

(Luke 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.)

(Luke 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.)

The women that Jesus said would weep and the saying "Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us" is repeated by John during that 1st century siege:

(Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb)

(Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? )

What dispensationalism amounts to is a dishonest "interpretation" of scripture that has deceived many.

 

[KJV1611]

This is the problem, they've time shifted the OT prophecies and the book of revelation into an indeterminate future while ignoring John's statements that indicate the time placements such as:

(Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.)

(Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.)

The temple was still standing, and the Roman armies spent 42 months in the siege of Jerusalem.

(Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.)

(Luke 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.)

(Luke 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.)

The women that Jesus said would weep and the saying "Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us" is repeated by John during that 1st century siege:

(Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb)

(Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? )

What dispensationalism amounts to is a dishonest "interpretation" of scripture that has deceived many.

I used to be one of them.

 

[GaryA]

What dispensationalism amounts to is a dishonest "interpretation" of scripture that has deceived many.

"Absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt."

 

[iamsoandso]

I used to be one of them.

which is why I said "bare in mind I am not disp..." ,,is jumping out of one fire and into another wise?

 

[cv5]

This is the problem, they've time shifted the OT prophecies and the book of revelation into an indeterminate future while ignoring John's statements that indicate the time placements such as:

(Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.)

(Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.)

The temple was still standing, and the Roman armies spent 42 months in the siege of Jerusalem.

(Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.)

(Luke 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.)

(Luke 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.)

The women that Jesus said would weep and the saying "Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us" is repeated by John during that 1st century siege:

(Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb)

(Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? )

What dispensationalism amounts to is a dishonest "interpretation" of scripture that has deceived many.

Indeterminate future is precisely the warning of Jesus. Hope u are prepared for the Bridegroom. He may arrive at any moment. Please refute this if you wish.

 

[cv5]

This is the problem, they've time shifted the OT prophecies and the book of revelation into an indeterminate future while ignoring John's statements that indicate the time placements such as:

(Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.)

(Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.)

The temple was still standing, and the Roman armies spent 42 months in the siege of Jerusalem.

(Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.)

(Luke 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.)

(Luke 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.)

The women that Jesus said would weep and the saying "Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us" is repeated by John during that 1st century siege:

(Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb)

(Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? )

What dispensationalism amounts to is a dishonest "interpretation" of scripture that has deceived many.

Pre-trib Rapture. Paul knew exactly the situation and informed us. At least most of us.

 

[KJV1611]

which is why I said "bare in mind I am not disp..." ,,is jumping out of one fire and into another wise?

What’s the other fire, preterism? If so I’m not a preregistration either.