Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[PS]

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
James 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Your mistake is that you think James is talking about the law of Moses when in reality he is talking about the perfect law of liberty that is found in Jesus Christ.

 

[DeighAnn]

The lie is: "The law of Moses is the way of salvation."

Does it seem weird to you that those who follow the law, don't follow the law of Moses, even though they still study it, and love what it teaches them about the Holiness of God, and gives them the knowledge of ALL that Christ did for us so they are properly thankful,

but those who say "it is only of faith" and there is no law "to work, or follow or obey", when speaking of salvation and our walk for God, YET STILL, like they can't sell their program without the old law still being valid, DONT BRING up the law OF Grace, that Christ brought to us, the one that is of life and forgiveness, that is light and easy, BUT DO BRING UP the Law that is" OVER, DONE, NO LONGER VAILD, HISTORY, NOT UNDER IT:" the one that was about death, and bondage, THAT you had to be perfect under, 'break one you broke them all' live "under the law" die under the law , that ended at John the Baptist, that Christ hung on the cursed tree, to release us from the curse of, rendering it no longer valid, because the Lord DEFEATED DEATH.

 

[DeighAnn]

Your mistake is that you think James is talking about the law of Moses when in reality he is talking about the perfect law of liberty that is found in Jesus Christ.

I never make that mistake.

 

[PS]

Does it seem weird to you that those who follow the law, don't follow the law of Moses, even though they still study it, and love what it teaches them about the Holiness of God, and gives them the knowledge of ALL that Christ did for us so they are properly thankful,

but those who say "it is only of faith" and there is no law "to work, or follow or obey", when speaking of salvation and our walk for God, YET STILL, like they can't sell their program without the old law still being valid, DONT BRING up the law OF Grace, that Christ brought to us, the one that is of life and forgiveness, that is light and easy, BUT DO BRING UP the Law that is" OVER, DONE, NO LONGER VAILD, HISTORY, NOT UNDER IT:" the one that was about death, and bondage, THAT you had to be perfect under, 'break one you broke them all' live "under the law" die under the law , that ended at John the Baptist, that Christ hung on the cursed tree, to release us from the curse of, rendering it no longer valid, because the Lord DEFEATED DEATH.

There is nothing lovey about the law of Moses.

 

[PS]

I never make that mistake.

I'm looking at the Romans 2 reference you posted. I think you misunderstand it. Morris, a Bible commentator writes, “People will be condemned, not because they have the law or do not have the law, but because they have sinned.”

The law is Jewish civil law the same as America has civil law. Neither save us spiritually and neither law can give us eternal life. Only Jesus can do that. Forget your Jewish law, it cannot save you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I went searching for an unbiased resource for the question posed in this thread. We all defend with the words of God our own understanding so as to post an answer. Maybe this will help and reduce confusion and maybe even bring a little peace. I hope so.

Compare below Moses Law vs.
God's Ten Commandment Law​

MANY people often confuse Moses Law with God's Ten Commandment Law, but they are very different.
Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8.
There are two laws that are made crystal clear in the following verses below. Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law:

"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him." Daniel 9:10,11
Special Note: Please note that God's law also called the 10 Commandments has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]." Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law or 10 Commandments and Moses law.

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Not sure of your source, but there is alot wrong with that.

1st thing to look at is the mosaic. It uses a verse said it was the handwriting of ordinance whcih was against us, contrary to us, and christ took it out of the way.

Non of the laws which the author claimed were part of mosaic were contrary to us, they were never against us, and they did not need taken out of the way

What was against us contrary to us and condemned us was the “curse of the law”. What was the curse? Whoever did not confirm and obey ever word “jot and tittle” will be cursed. As james said, if we keep the whole law yet stumble in even one point, we are guilty of all thus cursed.. even the sacrificial law. What was its purpose? To grant atonement for those who broke the condemnation of death written in stone, which was what? The ten commands.

This is but one error. There is more

Sometimes we need to just stand back, remove the planks from out eyes, and look at what is written.

 

[NayborBear]

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

As can be read in these verses? It could be realized, that Paul had a pretty amazing "spiritual/FRUITFUL" journey, which, as he writes? ENDED with love! Not started, and STAYED! ENDED, with love!
Which indicates, Paul, being the good "gardener" he was, seeked out, tended to, worked the "soil" and allowed the "Lord of the Harvest" (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit, if you will), and the Harvesting angels, to lead, direct, and guide his efforts in producing MORE, and "HEALTHIER" fruit!

I'm SURE there where a lot of "Christians" at the time who were practicing the "Perfect Law of Love" accusing Paul of "working out his salvation", or trying to "maintain his salvation with works", weren't there?

OH! That's right! there WEREN'T any "Christians" around, were there?
Such a LUCKY MAN, Paul was! Eh?

 

[PS]

Not sure of your source, but there is alot wrong with that.

1st thing to look at is the mosaic. It uses a verse said it was the handwriting of ordinance whcih was against us, contrary to us, and christ took it out of the way.

Non of the laws which the author claimed were part of mosaic were contrary to us, they were never against us, and they did not need taken out of the way

What was against us contrary to us and condemned us was the “curse of the law”. What was the curse? Whoever did not confirm and obey ever word “jot and tittle” will be cursed. As james said, if we keep the whole law yet stumble in even one point, we are guilty of all thus cursed.. even the sacrificial law. What was its purpose? To grant atonement for those who broke the condemnation of death written in stone, which was what? The ten commands.

This is but one error. There is more

Sometimes we need to just stand back, remove the planks from out eyes, and look at what is written.

I have never kept Jewish Law ever, and after having put my trust in Jesus for Salvation, does that mean I am damned?

 

[NayborBear]

So what in there answers the question "what do you think the accuser of the brethren uses to accuse the brethren"?

That's pretty easy Grandpa. Eyes of man!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank You NayborBear,

So "Everlasting" is similar to "Age Lasting"

Eternal takes a special move of the Spirit for it to become perceptible!

One is a "Long time!" The other has nothing to do with time!

Bless YHWH!

SG

This is what is called twisting the interpretation fo words to fit your own believe system

Everlasting life, in john 3:16, jesus tells nicodemus ( and us) that whoever places their faith in him has everlasting life

So lets look up in the greek and not just once sources, but multiple sources.

Greek new testament lexicon of the new testament based on semantic domains
ἀί̈διος, ον; αἰώνιος, ον: pertaining to an unlimited duration of time—‘eternal.’
ἀί̈διος: ἥ τε ἀί̈διος αὐτοῦ δύναμις καὶ θειότης ‘his eternal power and divine nature’ Ro 1:20.
αἰώνιος: βληθῆναι εἰς τὸ πῦρ τὸ αἰώνιον ‘be thrown into the eternal fire’ Mt 18:8; τοῦ αἰωνίου θεοῦ ‘of the eternal God’ Ro 16:26.
The most frequent use of αἰώνιος in the NT is with ζωή ‘life,’ for example, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων ἐν αὐτῷ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον ‘so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life’ Jn 3:15.

Intermediate greek english lexicon (notice the root aiwv is the rood used for a specific period of time or an age or epoc. Not eternal.

αἰώνιος, ον and α, ον, lasting for an age (αἰών 3), Plat.: ever-lasting, eternal, Id.

Dictionary of biblical languages with sementic domain - Greek
173 αἰώνιος (aiōnios), ον (on): adj.; ≡ DBLHebr 6409; Str 166; TDNT 1.208—1. LN 67.96 eternal, an unlimited duration (Ro 16:26; Mk 16: Shorter v.r.); 2. LN 67.133 since all time, time (long ago), (Ro 16:25)

And of course everyones favorite. The greek english lexicon of the NT Thayer

αἰώνιος, -ον, and (in 2 Th. 2:16; Heb. 9:12; Num. 25:13; Plat. Tim. p. 38 b. [see below]; Diod. i. 1; [cf. WH. App. p. 157; W. 69 (67); B. 26 (23)]) -ος, -α, -ον, (αἰών);
1. without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be: θεός, Ro. 16:26, (ὁ μόνος αἰώνιος, 2 Macc. 1:25); πνεῦμα, Heb. 9:14.
2. without beginning: χρόνοις αἰωνίοις, Ro. 16:25; πρὸ χρό νων αἰωνίων, 2 Tim. 1:9; Tit. 1:2; εὐαγγέλιον a gospel whose subject-matter is eternal, i. e. the saving purpose of God adopted from eternity, Rev. 14:6.
3. without end, never to cease, everlasting: 2 Co. 4:18 (opp. to πρόσκαιρος); αἰώνιον αὐτόν, joined to thee forever as a sharer of the same eternal life, Philem. 15; βάρος δόξης, 2 Co. 4:17; βασιλεία, 2 Pet. 1:11; δόξα, 2 Tim. 2:10; 1 Pet. 5:10; ζωή (see ζωή, 2 b.); κληρονομία, Heb. 9:15; λύτρωσις, Heb. 9:12; παράκλησις, 2 Th. 2:16; σκηναί, abodes to be occupied forever, Lk. 16:9 (the habitations of the blessed in heaven are referred to, cf. Jn. 14:2, [also, dabo eis tabernacula aeterna, quae praeparaveram illis, 4 Esdr. (Fritzsche 5 Esdr.) 2:11]; similarly Hades is called αἰώνιος τόπος, Tob. 3:6, cf. Eccl. 12:5); σωτηρία, Heb. 5:9; [so Mk. 16. WH, in the (rejected) ‘Shorter Conclusion’]. Opposite ideas are: κόλασις, Mt. 25:46; κρίμα, Heb. 6:2; κρίσις, Mk. 3:29 (Rec. [but L T WH Tr txt. ἁμαρτήματος; in Acta Thom. § 47, p. 227 Tdf., ἔσται σοι τοῦτο εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν καὶ λύτρον αἰωνίων παραπτωμάτων, it has been plausibly conjectured we should read λύτρον αἰώνιον (cf. Heb. 9:12)]); ὄλεθρος [Lchm. txt. ὀλέθριος], 2 Th. 1:9, (4 Macc. 10:15); πῦρ, Mt. 25:41, (4 Macc. 12:12 αἰωνίῳ πυρὶ κ. βασάνοις, αἳ εἰς ὅλον τὸν αἰῶνα οὐκ ἀνήσουσίσε).
[Of the examples of αἰώνιος from Philo (with whom it is less common than ἀΐδιος, q. v., of which there are some fifty instances) the following are noteworthy: de mut. nom. § 2; de caritate § 17; κόλασις αἰ. frag. in Mang. ii. 667 fin. (Richter vi. 229 mid.); cf. de praem. ct poen. § 12. Other exx. are de alleg. leg. iii. § 70; de poster. Caini § 35; quod deus immut. § 30; quis rer. div. her. § 58; de congressu quaer. erud. § 19; de prof. § 38; de somn. ii. § 43; de Josepho § 24; quod omn. prob. lib. § 4, § 18; de ebrietate § 32; de Abrah. § 15; ζωὴ αἰ.: de prof. § 10; θεὸς (ὁ) αἰ.: de plantat. § 2, § 18 (bis), § 20 (bis); de mundo § 2. From Josephus: antt. 7, 14, 5; 12, 7, 3; 15, 10, 5; b. j. 1, 33, 2; 6, 2, 1; κλέος αἰ.: antt. 4, 6, 5; b. j. 3, 8, 5; μνήμη αἰ.: antt. 1, 13, 4; 6, 14, 4; 10, 11, 7; 15, 11, 1; οἶκον μὲν αἰώνιον ἔχεις (of God), antt. 8, 4, 2; ἐφυλάχθη ὁ Ἰωάννης δεσμοῖς αἰωνίοις, b. j. 6, 9, 4.
Syn. ἀΐδιος, αἰώνιος: ἀΐδ. covers the complete philosophic idea—without beginning and without end; also either without beginning or without end; as respects the past, it is applied to what has existed time out of mind. αἰώνιος (fr. Plato on) gives prominence to the immeasurableness of eternity (while such words as συνεχής continuous, unintermitted, διατελής perpetual, lasting to the end, are not so applicable to an abstract term, like αἰών); αἰώνιος accordingly is esp. adapted to supersensnous things, see the N. T. Cf. Tim. Locr. 96 c. θεὸν δὲ τὸν μὲν αἰώνιον νόος ὁρῆ μόνος etc.; Plat. Tim. 37 d. (and Stallbaum ad loc.); 38 b. c.; legg. x. p. 904 a. ἀνώλεθρον δὲ ὂν γενόμενον, ἀλλʼ οὐκ αἰώνιον. Cf. also Plato’s διαιώνιος (Tim. 38 b.; 39 e.). Schmidt ch. 45.]

So once again, We have t remove the planks from our eyes. What the person this user quoted said is plain and simply WRONG The words are used interchangeably depending on who is doing the intperpretation

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Made me think how Yahshua stepped out of eternity into time so we could be like Him. And if we follow Him we eventually step out of time into eternity!

You better do more than just “follow him”

Many people claimed to be followers of him, yet he will tell them to depart.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If the only law that requires perfection is the law of Moses, and the law of Moses has been replaced with the law of the kingdom, which doesn't require perfection, why does anyone need to be perfect?

If Jesus died for our sins, we must be sinning and not be perfect. So we must be following the law.
If we were made perfect by His death, then nothing we would do would be a sin.
If nothing we are doing is a sin, then nothing is holy.

That is like says works are bad. If no one does works, the word is not spread and we never hear it.

If your going to follow the law and push being obedient to the law

YOU MUST BE PERFECT.

You do not have to be perfect in the NT because jesus took the PENALTY OF SIN and nailed it to the cross. So instead of focusin gon performance and self. You can focus on loving others.

I so wish you all would see this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In my opinion, The biggest lie being told today is that those who follow Gods law, have not been saved and do not have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. And those who have "only" faith are.


James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

James 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

James 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Lol

No one can follow Gods law. We can not even love perfectly.

The biggest lie today and for all ages is that we can sin and its ok. As long as I am following god, and doin his will. And repent after I sin, I am ok, I do not have to worry.

THATS the biggest lie. Its called watering down Gods law. So you can feel better about your own sin, while judging others for their sin, and claiming they HATE Gods law.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

That's pretty easy Grandpa. Eyes of man!

☺️I think he was saying that the accuser uses the law to accuse us.

 

[Lightskin]

What is the one thing God can not do? He can not make someone truly love Him. Love has got to be generated from within, to come freely from within the "entity", all on its own or it is not "true", it is created or coerced. God wants our love. Something He must allow each of us to choose on our own. Hence the FREE will. Choose Life. or choose death. it is up to us. He tells us "this is the way to life" and "this is the way to death". If He did it all for us, it would not be us choosing to love Him. It would be Him choosing for us.

I’m not disagreeing with you but Samson and John the Baptist come to mind as possible examples of not having choice. Don’t mind me; I’m just thinking out loud.

 

[wokinluv]

So what in there answers the question "what do you think the accuser of the brethren uses to accuse the brethren"?

A lie,
because he is a liar, a deceiver, a murderer, a rebel and the "lawless" one.

The law requires perfection

Are you perfect

If your answer is no. You do not keep the law

I acknowledge this. So I look to the law of Christ. [/QUOTE)
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:3-11

(QUOTE)="Grandpa, post: 4009996, member: 93985"]I guessed I missed it.

Which of these shows that the fruit of the Spirit is disobedience to the law?

And which of these shows that your work at the law produces this fruit of the spirit?

Maybe you just don't understand the question...?

“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:43-46

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Corinthians 3:17

If the Lord is the Spirit and He is also the vine and we are His branches, what would be His fruit?

This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love. John 15:1-10 (ref: John 14:21-31)

The result of obedience to His commands are the fruits of the Spirit. (ref: Galatians 5:22-26)

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Romans 3:19,31

Confess Jesus as Lord and Walk in Love.

GOD bless.

 

[NayborBear]

This is what is called twisting the interpretation fo words to fit your own believe system

Everlasting life, in john 3:16, jesus tells nicodemus ( and us) that whoever places their faith in him has everlasting life

So lets look up in the greek and not just once sources, but multiple sources.

Greek new testament lexicon of the new testament based on semantic domains
ἀί̈διος, ον; αἰώνιος, ον: pertaining to an unlimited duration of time—‘eternal.’
ἀί̈διος: ἥ τε ἀί̈διος αὐτοῦ δύναμις καὶ θειότης ‘his eternal power and divine nature’ Ro 1:20.
αἰώνιος: βληθῆναι εἰς τὸ πῦρ τὸ αἰώνιον ‘be thrown into the eternal fire’ Mt 18:8; τοῦ αἰωνίου θεοῦ ‘of the eternal God’ Ro 16:26.
The most frequent use of αἰώνιος in the NT is with ζωή ‘life,’ for example, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων ἐν αὐτῷ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον ‘so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life’ Jn 3:15.

Intermediate greek english lexicon (notice the root aiwv is the rood used for a specific period of time or an age or epoc. Not eternal.

αἰώνιος, ον and α, ον, lasting for an age (αἰών 3), Plat.: ever-lasting, eternal, Id.

Dictionary of biblical languages with sementic domain - Greek
173 αἰώνιος (aiōnios), ον (on): adj.; ≡ DBLHebr 6409; Str 166; TDNT 1.208—1. LN 67.96 eternal, an unlimited duration (Ro 16:26; Mk 16: Shorter v.r.); 2. LN 67.133 since all time, time (long ago), (Ro 16:25)

And of course everyones favorite. The greek english lexicon of the NT Thayer

αἰώνιος, -ον, and (in 2 Th. 2:16; Heb. 9:12; Num. 25:13; Plat. Tim. p. 38 b. [see below]; Diod. i. 1; [cf. WH. App. p. 157; W. 69 (67); B. 26 (23)]) -ος, -α, -ον, (αἰών);
1. without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be: θεός, Ro. 16:26, (ὁ μόνος αἰώνιος, 2 Macc. 1:25); πνεῦμα, Heb. 9:14.
2. without beginning: χρόνοις αἰωνίοις, Ro. 16:25; πρὸ χρό νων αἰωνίων, 2 Tim. 1:9; Tit. 1:2; εὐαγγέλιον a gospel whose subject-matter is eternal, i. e. the saving purpose of God adopted from eternity, Rev. 14:6.
3. without end, never to cease, everlasting: 2 Co. 4:18 (opp. to πρόσκαιρος); αἰώνιον αὐτόν, joined to thee forever as a sharer of the same eternal life, Philem. 15; βάρος δόξης, 2 Co. 4:17; βασιλεία, 2 Pet. 1:11; δόξα, 2 Tim. 2:10; 1 Pet. 5:10; ζωή (see ζωή, 2 b.); κληρονομία, Heb. 9:15; λύτρωσις, Heb. 9:12; παράκλησις, 2 Th. 2:16; σκηναί, abodes to be occupied forever, Lk. 16:9 (the habitations of the blessed in heaven are referred to, cf. Jn. 14:2, [also, dabo eis tabernacula aeterna, quae praeparaveram illis, 4 Esdr. (Fritzsche 5 Esdr.) 2:11]; similarly Hades is called αἰώνιος τόπος, Tob. 3:6, cf. Eccl. 12:5); σωτηρία, Heb. 5:9; [so Mk. 16. WH, in the (rejected) ‘Shorter Conclusion’]. Opposite ideas are: κόλασις, Mt. 25:46; κρίμα, Heb. 6:2; κρίσις, Mk. 3:29 (Rec. [but L T WH Tr txt. ἁμαρτήματος; in Acta Thom. § 47, p. 227 Tdf., ἔσται σοι τοῦτο εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν καὶ λύτρον αἰωνίων παραπτωμάτων, it has been plausibly conjectured we should read λύτρον αἰώνιον (cf. Heb. 9:12)]); ὄλεθρος [Lchm. txt. ὀλέθριος], 2 Th. 1:9, (4 Macc. 10:15); πῦρ, Mt. 25:41, (4 Macc. 12:12 αἰωνίῳ πυρὶ κ. βασάνοις, αἳ εἰς ὅλον τὸν αἰῶνα οὐκ ἀνήσουσίσε).
[Of the examples of αἰώνιος from Philo (with whom it is less common than ἀΐδιος, q. v., of which there are some fifty instances) the following are noteworthy: de mut. nom. § 2; de caritate § 17; κόλασις αἰ. frag. in Mang. ii. 667 fin. (Richter vi. 229 mid.); cf. de praem. ct poen. § 12. Other exx. are de alleg. leg. iii. § 70; de poster. Caini § 35; quod deus immut. § 30; quis rer. div. her. § 58; de congressu quaer. erud. § 19; de prof. § 38; de somn. ii. § 43; de Josepho § 24; quod omn. prob. lib. § 4, § 18; de ebrietate § 32; de Abrah. § 15; ζωὴ αἰ.: de prof. § 10; θεὸς (ὁ) αἰ.: de plantat. § 2, § 18 (bis), § 20 (bis); de mundo § 2. From Josephus: antt. 7, 14, 5; 12, 7, 3; 15, 10, 5; b. j. 1, 33, 2; 6, 2, 1; κλέος αἰ.: antt. 4, 6, 5; b. j. 3, 8, 5; μνήμη αἰ.: antt. 1, 13, 4; 6, 14, 4; 10, 11, 7; 15, 11, 1; οἶκον μὲν αἰώνιον ἔχεις (of God), antt. 8, 4, 2; ἐφυλάχθη ὁ Ἰωάννης δεσμοῖς αἰωνίοις, b. j. 6, 9, 4.
Syn. ἀΐδιος, αἰώνιος: ἀΐδ. covers the complete philosophic idea—without beginning and without end; also either without beginning or without end; as respects the past, it is applied to what has existed time out of mind. αἰώνιος (fr. Plato on) gives prominence to the immeasurableness of eternity (while such words as συνεχής continuous, unintermitted, διατελής perpetual, lasting to the end, are not so applicable to an abstract term, like αἰών); αἰώνιος accordingly is esp. adapted to supersensnous things, see the N. T. Cf. Tim. Locr. 96 c. θεὸν δὲ τὸν μὲν αἰώνιον νόος ὁρῆ μόνος etc.; Plat. Tim. 37 d. (and Stallbaum ad loc.); 38 b. c.; legg. x. p. 904 a. ἀνώλεθρον δὲ ὂν γενόμενον, ἀλλʼ οὐκ αἰώνιον. Cf. also Plato’s διαιώνιος (Tim. 38 b.; 39 e.). Schmidt ch. 45.]

So once again, We have t remove the planks from our eyes. What the person this user quoted said is plain and simply WRONG The words are used interchangeably depending on who is doing the intperpretation

Replies like this, are to be expected from the "Church/es of the Paulene Epistles."

 

[SimpleGardner]

☺️I think he was saying that the accuser uses the law to accuse us.

Interesting thought you clarified. When we were first brought to repentance by our sins against the Laws of God, was it the "accuser" was behind our Sorrow or God?

If we sin today, say steal, like go on a non work related website while being paid to produce work, is it the accuser who convicts us of that sin so we will repent or is it still God? Or should we not feel any conviction for that sin?

SG

 

[NayborBear]

A lie,
because he is a liar, a deceiver, a murderer, a rebel and the "lawless" one.


“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:43-46

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Corinthians 3:17

If the Lord is the Spirit and He is also the vine and we are His branches, what would be His fruit?

This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love. John 15:1-10 (ref: John 14:21-31)

The result of obedience to His commands are the fruits of the Spirit. (ref: Galatians 5:22-26)

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Romans 3:19,31

Confess Jesus as Lord and Walk in Love.

GOD bless.

This poster, in his "brow beating" with the word "perfect", is limiting his own "maturing", and everyone else, he can oppress!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A lie,
because he is a liar, a deceiver, a murderer, a rebel and the "lawless" one.


“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:43-46

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Corinthians 3:17

If the Lord is the Spirit and He is also the vine and we are His branches, what would be His fruit?

This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love. John 15:1-10 (ref: John 14:21-31)

The result of obedience to His commands are the fruits of the Spirit. (ref: Galatians 5:22-26)

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Romans 3:19,31

Confess Jesus as Lord and Walk in Love.

GOD bless.

If you are trying to be righteous by following some code written in stone. (At a minimum, The ten commands) You will fail

If however, You are trying to be righteous (morally good) and produce the fruit of the spirit, by taking the love mercy and forgiveness God has offered you and taking that and loving others. They you will find victory.

The ministration of death written in stone can condemn you, It will not now. Or ever help you to become a righteous person. Because you have failed. And will continue to fail to keep it.