Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Greetings Y,
Excellent summary!
They also "tipped their hand" when they retorted to Yahshau;
Joh 8:33 NIV They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"
They didn't claim to be descendants of "Jacob" and a descendant of Israel could not claim to; "have never been slaves of anyone"
also;
Joh 8:41 NIV You are doing the things your own father does." "We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."
Since Esau married "outside" the carefully guarded family lineage from which Jacob would come by marrying Canaanite wives and an Ishmaelite wife they were notably sensitive to any conversation that pointed to this.
This conversation may have a bearing on Yahshua's conversation with Nicodemus too.
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James 5
6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1 Peter 4
8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
Gee! I wonder what sins "love" covers?
COULDN'T be sins of NOT keeping the law, COULD IT!? Or? COULD it?
You'll never know, if you keep "justifying yourself/ves" in the "perfect law of love" doctrine. Will you?
Whereas, the law/s that were once "flesh oriented", are now "spiritually oriented."
You should also be concerned by what Jesus meant when He said: "I'll raise you up in the last day."
The "last" day before the "Great White Throne Judgement?"
The "last" day of this current earth/heaven age?
Or? Is this your "habitual habitation in love?"
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
It's "not my place" to answer this question for you. Only you can do that. But, not to me! As it seems many may want, or wish to think! But, to He who sent Our High Priest, and Kinsman Redeemer!
Yet, I can "see" by your responses, that this is what you see, concerning those who seek, and do seek, in finding out what/which sins love "doesn't" hide, or cover.
Where, you may find "along the way", that is impossible for you to commit the "unforgivable sin!"
1 Peter 4
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
And you have NO "idea", what this means:
Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1 Peter 4
8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
Gee! I wonder what sins "love" covers?
COULDN'T be sins of NOT keeping the law, COULD IT!? Or? COULD it?
You'll never know, if you keep "justifying yourself/ves" in the "perfect law of love" doctrine. Will you?
Whereas, the law/s that were once "flesh oriented", are now "spiritually oriented."
You should also be concerned by what Jesus meant when He said: "I'll raise you up in the last day."
The "last" day before the "Great White Throne Judgement?"
The "last" day of this current earth/heaven age?
Or? Is this your "habitual habitation in love?"
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
It's "not my place" to answer this question for you. Only you can do that. But, not to me! As it seems many may want, or wish to think! But, to He who sent Our High Priest, and Kinsman Redeemer!
Yet, I can "see" by your responses, that this is what you see, concerning those who seek, and do seek, in finding out what/which sins love "doesn't" hide, or cover.
Where, you may find "along the way", that is impossible for you to commit the "unforgivable sin!"
1 Peter 4
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
And you have NO "idea", what this means:
Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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Thank you for answering my questions, i appreciate
your honesty.
Didn't Jesus say that with God nothing is impossible?
Would you refuse to obey the 10 commandments if God is in you. If it is God who works in you, would you tell God that His 10 commandments is undesirable to follow.
Aren't we as servants expected to obey our master without complaining but in submission and humility?
How can we say that we love God and confess that Jesus is our Lord while rejecting the 10 commandments which is clearly God's words spoken as commands. Rejecting His laws and commandments is rejecting His words, right?
for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life—in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing. Philippians 2:13-16
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:48-50
Without law, there is chaos, disorder and lawlessness...no peace.
Walk in Love and God bless.
your honesty.
Didn't Jesus say that with God nothing is impossible?
Would you refuse to obey the 10 commandments if God is in you. If it is God who works in you, would you tell God that His 10 commandments is undesirable to follow.
Aren't we as servants expected to obey our master without complaining but in submission and humility?
How can we say that we love God and confess that Jesus is our Lord while rejecting the 10 commandments which is clearly God's words spoken as commands. Rejecting His laws and commandments is rejecting His words, right?
for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life—in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing. Philippians 2:13-16
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:48-50
Without law, there is chaos, disorder and lawlessness...no peace.
Walk in Love and God bless.
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who is their right mind would say this
In the same token. As John said, WHo in their right mind would say they have no sin?
And your right with God all things are possible. But John said clearly, if we say we are without sin we are deceived. So coming to the conclusion you can go 24 hours and not once break one of Gods commands I would see is pretty foolish. Should we not instead look to who I can love, Who I can serve. And what God has in store for me today instead of worrying about what sin I was going to commit? God will reveal that sin to us. Lets keep focused forward. Not on self.
Who is rejecting the ten commands?
You must be talking to someone else.
It is one thing to reject. It is another to interpret properly and not think I am better than I really am
In the same token. As John said, WHo in their right mind would say they have no sin?
And your right with God all things are possible. But John said clearly, if we say we are without sin we are deceived. So coming to the conclusion you can go 24 hours and not once break one of Gods commands I would see is pretty foolish. Should we not instead look to who I can love, Who I can serve. And what God has in store for me today instead of worrying about what sin I was going to commit? God will reveal that sin to us. Lets keep focused forward. Not on self.
Who is rejecting the ten commands?
You must be talking to someone else.
It is one thing to reject. It is another to interpret properly and not think I am better than I really am
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How convenient, it must be for you, in deliberately overlooking this:
Ezekiel 20
24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.
Without discernment? You'll never be able to distinguish the difference/s!
And, it WILL be seen as ONE LAW to you!
Ezekiel 20
24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.
Without discernment? You'll never be able to distinguish the difference/s!
And, it WILL be seen as ONE LAW to you!
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I don't "spit" on Paul's teachings! At all!
I do, however, SPIT on your IGNORANCE, to Paul's teachings!
And how LITTLE of his "gospel" you wish to accept!
And STILL fancy yourselves being saved ETERNALLY?
If, it weren't so SAD?
It would be SO EXTREMELY LAUGHABLE!
YOU having "barely 1 grain of sand in the salvation bucket?"
Running, around telling everyone and their brother it's FULL?
LAUGHABLE! EXTREMELY LAUGHABLE!
I do, however, SPIT on your IGNORANCE, to Paul's teachings!
And how LITTLE of his "gospel" you wish to accept!
And STILL fancy yourselves being saved ETERNALLY?
If, it weren't so SAD?
It would be SO EXTREMELY LAUGHABLE!
YOU having "barely 1 grain of sand in the salvation bucket?"
Running, around telling everyone and their brother it's FULL?
LAUGHABLE! EXTREMELY LAUGHABLE!
How convenient, it must be for you, in deliberately overlooking this:
Ezekiel 20
24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.
Without discernment? You'll never be able to distinguish the difference/s!
And, it WILL be seen as ONE LAW to you!
Ezekiel 20
24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.
Without discernment? You'll never be able to distinguish the difference/s!
And, it WILL be seen as ONE LAW to you!
God never told them to do this, nor did such an abomination ever even enter His mind.
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Without discernment? You'll never be able to distinguish the difference/s!
And, it WILL be seen as ONE LAW to you!
And, it WILL be seen as ONE LAW to you!
That is the way Paul sees it - accept circumcision, liable to the whole law.
That is the way Christ sees it - not one jot or tittle removed.
Do you think differently? Why?
Because of Ezekiel 20?
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Which of the Fruit of the Spirit would be disobedience???
Which of the Fruit of the Spirit are produced by your work at the law???
With man it is impossible to produce this fruit of the Spirit, but with God it is possible.
The 10 commandments are not Gods Law. They are Moses Law.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Calling the 10 commandments Gods Law is just another way for legalists to continue in their circular reasoning and continue working at the law.
The Lord Jesus doesn't call the 10 commandments 'Gods Law'. Paul and Peter don't call the 10 Commandments 'Gods Law'. So who calls the 10 commandments 'Gods Law'???
Which of the Fruit of the Spirit are produced by your work at the law???
With man it is impossible to produce this fruit of the Spirit, but with God it is possible.
The 10 commandments are not Gods Law. They are Moses Law.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Calling the 10 commandments Gods Law is just another way for legalists to continue in their circular reasoning and continue working at the law.
The Lord Jesus doesn't call the 10 commandments 'Gods Law'. Paul and Peter don't call the 10 Commandments 'Gods Law'. So who calls the 10 commandments 'Gods Law'???
What do you think the accuser of the brethren uses to accuse the brethren?
John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
1 Corinthians 5:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
What is the solution?
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
1 Corinthians 5:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
What is the solution?
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
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Ya see? This is the difference between salvation which is "everlasting?"
And salvation, which is "eternal!"
Salvation that is "everlasting?" Goes from the point which one becomes saved forwards in time to the end of the age!
Salvation that is "eternal?" Goes from the point one is saved? THEN, "backtracks" its way to that "which ALWAYS IS!" Thus, rendering THIS current "everlasting?"
"Just another TOWN along THE WAY!"
Which is the WHY? IT'S SEEN AND REGARDED AS "HEBREW ROOTS, OR JUDIZERS, OR LEGALISTS, OR WORKS FOR SALVATION!"
(sighs)
Which Is why many are called, but, few are chosen!
Why, God called the order of Melchizadek a FOREVER Priesthood! BECAUSE IT IS!
Y'all COULD be in this "forever Priesthood." IF y'all allowed God to work y'all BACKWARDS within yourselves!
But, that would require the Picking up of your cross and pressing on to the High Calling of God!
And, this definition of Molech you gave? Is only the OUTWARDS demonstration, of that which goes on internally within "one flesh", if you will, leading up to and including ejaculation!
You are correct!
THIS? NEVER DID "enter God's mind!"
Entered SOMEONE ELSES mind though!
Didn't it?
Thaz, OK though! Y'all got a thousand years to be taught!
Matthew 19
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men/women cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
For THIS is what's it's like in fighting the "carnal man/woman!"
This even was a "vow" Priests were demanded to take before becoming Priests in Catholicism.
As was also an expectation of Gentile Teachers/Preachers/Pastors/etc.
Yet, we see that none of these, were very able, in some cases, in the upholding this!
As opposed to? And, the "way it was", BEFORE the fall of Adam?
1 Timothy 1
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
And salvation, which is "eternal!"
Salvation that is "everlasting?" Goes from the point which one becomes saved forwards in time to the end of the age!
Salvation that is "eternal?" Goes from the point one is saved? THEN, "backtracks" its way to that "which ALWAYS IS!" Thus, rendering THIS current "everlasting?"
"Just another TOWN along THE WAY!"
Which is the WHY? IT'S SEEN AND REGARDED AS "HEBREW ROOTS, OR JUDIZERS, OR LEGALISTS, OR WORKS FOR SALVATION!"
(sighs)
Which Is why many are called, but, few are chosen!
Why, God called the order of Melchizadek a FOREVER Priesthood! BECAUSE IT IS!
Y'all COULD be in this "forever Priesthood." IF y'all allowed God to work y'all BACKWARDS within yourselves!
But, that would require the Picking up of your cross and pressing on to the High Calling of God!
And, this definition of Molech you gave? Is only the OUTWARDS demonstration, of that which goes on internally within "one flesh", if you will, leading up to and including ejaculation!
You are correct!
THIS? NEVER DID "enter God's mind!"
Entered SOMEONE ELSES mind though!
Didn't it?
Thaz, OK though! Y'all got a thousand years to be taught!
Matthew 19
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men/women cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
For THIS is what's it's like in fighting the "carnal man/woman!"
This even was a "vow" Priests were demanded to take before becoming Priests in Catholicism.
As was also an expectation of Gentile Teachers/Preachers/Pastors/etc.
Yet, we see that none of these, were very able, in some cases, in the upholding this!
As opposed to? And, the "way it was", BEFORE the fall of Adam?
1 Timothy 1
2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
Psalm 137 does not at all say what you claim.
Psalms 137:7
Remember, LORD, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell. "Tear it down," they cried, "tear it down to its foundations!"
Edom said tear down Jerusalem, not let us possess the temple.
And you are also teaching lies about the return of Judah:
Ezra 2:36-58 The priests: the descendants of Jedaiah (through the family of Jeshua) 973 </tr> of Immer 1,052 </tr> of Pashhur 1,247 </tr> of Harim 1,017 </tr> The Levites: the descendants of Jeshua and Kadmiel (of the line of Hodaviah) 74 </tr> The musicians: the descendants of Asaph 128 </tr> The gatekeepers of the temple: the descendants of </tr> Shallum, Ater, Talmon, </tr> Akkub, Hatita and Shobai 139 </tr> The temple servants: the descendants of </tr> Ziha, Hasupha, Tabbaoth, </tr> Keros, Siaha, Padon, </tr> Lebanah, Hagabah, Akkub, </tr> Hagab, Shalmai, Hanan, </tr> Giddel, Gahar, Reaiah, </tr> Rezin, Nekoda, Gazzam, </tr> Uzza, Paseah, Besai, </tr> Asnah, Meunim, Nephusim, </tr> Bakbuk, Hakupha, Harhur, </tr> Bazluth, Mehida, Harsha, </tr> Barkos, Sisera, Temah, </tr> Neziah and Hatipha </tr> The descendants of the servants of Solomon: the descendants of </tr> Sotai, Hassophereth, Peruda, </tr> Jaala, Darkon, Giddel, </tr> Shephatiah, Hattil, </tr> Pokereth-Hazzebaim and Ami </tr> The temple servants and the descendants of the servants of Solomon 392 </tr>
Hundreds of Levites, priests and temple servants returned to rebuild the temple and restore its services.
Psalms 137:7
Remember, LORD, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell. "Tear it down," they cried, "tear it down to its foundations!"
Edom said tear down Jerusalem, not let us possess the temple.
And you are also teaching lies about the return of Judah:
Ezra 2:36-58 The priests: the descendants of Jedaiah (through the family of Jeshua) 973 </tr> of Immer 1,052 </tr> of Pashhur 1,247 </tr> of Harim 1,017 </tr> The Levites: the descendants of Jeshua and Kadmiel (of the line of Hodaviah) 74 </tr> The musicians: the descendants of Asaph 128 </tr> The gatekeepers of the temple: the descendants of </tr> Shallum, Ater, Talmon, </tr> Akkub, Hatita and Shobai 139 </tr> The temple servants: the descendants of </tr> Ziha, Hasupha, Tabbaoth, </tr> Keros, Siaha, Padon, </tr> Lebanah, Hagabah, Akkub, </tr> Hagab, Shalmai, Hanan, </tr> Giddel, Gahar, Reaiah, </tr> Rezin, Nekoda, Gazzam, </tr> Uzza, Paseah, Besai, </tr> Asnah, Meunim, Nephusim, </tr> Bakbuk, Hakupha, Harhur, </tr> Bazluth, Mehida, Harsha, </tr> Barkos, Sisera, Temah, </tr> Neziah and Hatipha </tr> The descendants of the servants of Solomon: the descendants of </tr> Sotai, Hassophereth, Peruda, </tr> Jaala, Darkon, Giddel, </tr> Shephatiah, Hattil, </tr> Pokereth-Hazzebaim and Ami </tr> The temple servants and the descendants of the servants of Solomon 392 </tr>
Hundreds of Levites, priests and temple servants returned to rebuild the temple and restore its services.
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