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Joshua 2:4
āAnd the woman took the two men, and hid them, and said thus, There came men unto me, but I wist not whence they were:ā
Was this evil?
In my heart, to answer you I am inclined to say "all lies are evil".
But that has little to nothing to do in regards to if all evil comes from a fallen angel, even if he was the first to transgress and cause stumbling blocks.
We are indeed born with a fallen nature and I accept I made my own mistakes.
Otherwise would I not be justified to just accuse the accuser?
āAnd the woman took the two men, and hid them, and said thus, There came men unto me, but I wist not whence they were:ā
Was this evil?
In my heart, to answer you I am inclined to say "all lies are evil".
But that has little to nothing to do in regards to if all evil comes from a fallen angel, even if he was the first to transgress and cause stumbling blocks.
We are indeed born with a fallen nature and I accept I made my own mistakes.
Otherwise would I not be justified to just accuse the accuser?
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I agree according to the scriptures Christ came to serve: Matthew 12:17-18 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles, and we as belivers are to serve Him.
So are we saying God's sole purpose for creating the human race to serve Him? But He still has three quaters of sinless angels serving Him and if I was to compare my servanthood with an angel................ the angel will win hands own.
So are we saying God's sole purpose for creating the human race to serve Him? But He still has three quaters of sinless angels serving Him and if I was to compare my servanthood with an angel................ the angel will win hands own.
Well now I'm curious....š£
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Fair enough.
God bless you man, I have only seen a few of your posts but I do not believe we have ever clashed..... which is pretty nice.
Some people get veeeeery heated when others disagree.
As long as we all trust in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ and are born again we are family.š
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Fair enough.
God bless you man, I have only seen a few of your posts but I do not believe we have ever clashed..... which is pretty nice.
Some people get veeeeery heated when others disagree.
As long as we all trust in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ and are born again we are family.š
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I just stick with the simplicity in Christ and am happy when God shows new things to me in my studies.
"I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil."
Usually when something needs a guru or a "wise man" to explain it.....
It can't be proven in scripture.
You can smell most deceptions before you you actually see them. (gives you time to go the other way lol)
"I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil."
Usually when something needs a guru or a "wise man" to explain it.....
It can't be proven in scripture.
You can smell most deceptions before you you actually see them. (gives you time to go the other way lol)
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That is true nothing wrong with simplicity, there are different levels in the army of the lord, thereās the front line soldiers, the middle, the rear and the reserves, cooks to prepare the food, and gathers of the food. each is just as important so where ones purpose is they all has the same value.
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Did God have a lack?
I don't think we want to say God created man because God had some kind of lack.
This would be to impugn his perfection.
We need to be very careful when making statements about God's character and nature.
If God was "lonely", or "in need of something", then that implies he wasn't perfect.
He couldn't have a lack, or a need, and be perfect in all ways.
Traditionally, it's been the orthodox view that the various persons of the trinity are in relationship with each other.
Thus, there is no loneliness, and no lack.
When we talk about the "why" of God creating man, we need to be very careful that we don't say God "needed" us for something.
That tends to make a really big mess of his perfection and attributes.
Not every question is an easy question.
I think the Calvinists around here would give the traditional answer and say, "God created us because it simply pleased him to do so."
I would have to agree.
Conclusion:
1. God created us because it simply pleased him to create us.
2. That doesn't mean we have no purpose.
3. It just means that our purpose doesn't extend from some kind of need.
4. Our purpose doesn't come from God having a need... our purpose comes from God infusing us with purpose.
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I don't think we want to say God created man because God had some kind of lack.
This would be to impugn his perfection.
We need to be very careful when making statements about God's character and nature.
If God was "lonely", or "in need of something", then that implies he wasn't perfect.
He couldn't have a lack, or a need, and be perfect in all ways.
Traditionally, it's been the orthodox view that the various persons of the trinity are in relationship with each other.
Thus, there is no loneliness, and no lack.
When we talk about the "why" of God creating man, we need to be very careful that we don't say God "needed" us for something.
That tends to make a really big mess of his perfection and attributes.
Not every question is an easy question.
I think the Calvinists around here would give the traditional answer and say, "God created us because it simply pleased him to do so."
I would have to agree.
Conclusion:
1. God created us because it simply pleased him to create us.
2. That doesn't mean we have no purpose.
3. It just means that our purpose doesn't extend from some kind of need.
4. Our purpose doesn't come from God having a need... our purpose comes from God infusing us with purpose.
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Idk about you but I see God as my absolute loving kind Father in Heaven who does love and cares for me and at times discipline also. Imo He is perfect and as a Father, wanting children to love and adore Him, does not mean He is imperfect. He is w/o end and seems wonderful He wants to share His Kingdom. That's who I think He is, thx.
Why did He create Adam then, and all of us ?
Why did He create Adam then, and all of us ?
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God can be a loving father without God having a "need" for us.
These two concepts are not mutually inclusive.
Tabin,
All I did was give you a very orthodox answer that I believe most theologians would agree with.
I didn't give you the easiest answer, or the most popular answer in christian culture; I gave you the orthodox theological answer which has passed the test of time for millennia, and which will hold up to any kind of serious scrutiny.
We can say that God loves us.
But we cannot say that God created us because he had some kind of need or lack within himself.
That would be to impugn God's perfection.
That constitutes a very serious theological error.
Theologically and philosophically we don't want to go there.
Take care.
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These two concepts are not mutually inclusive.
Tabin,
All I did was give you a very orthodox answer that I believe most theologians would agree with.
I didn't give you the easiest answer, or the most popular answer in christian culture; I gave you the orthodox theological answer which has passed the test of time for millennia, and which will hold up to any kind of serious scrutiny.
We can say that God loves us.
But we cannot say that God created us because he had some kind of need or lack within himself.
That would be to impugn God's perfection.
That constitutes a very serious theological error.
Theologically and philosophically we don't want to go there.
Take care.
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Perfection & Lack - how it works:
A. If God had some kind of need, that means there is some way in which God could be BETTER.
B. If God could be BETTER in some way, then he wasn't already perfect... he wasn't already as great or perfect as he could be.
C. If God EVER had some kind of need or lack within himself, then he wasn't yet perfected... he wasn't perfect.
That's basically how it works.
That has been the orthodox view of God's perfection for a very long time.
It's very sound reasoning, it's very biblical, and I didn't just dream it up on a whim.
If you don't agree, that's fine.
It didn't come from me... it's been the traditional and orthodox view for a long time.
Take care.
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A. If God had some kind of need, that means there is some way in which God could be BETTER.
B. If God could be BETTER in some way, then he wasn't already perfect... he wasn't already as great or perfect as he could be.
C. If God EVER had some kind of need or lack within himself, then he wasn't yet perfected... he wasn't perfect.
That's basically how it works.
That has been the orthodox view of God's perfection for a very long time.
It's very sound reasoning, it's very biblical, and I didn't just dream it up on a whim.
If you don't agree, that's fine.
It didn't come from me... it's been the traditional and orthodox view for a long time.
Take care.
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Perfection & Lack - how it works:
A. If God had some kind of need, that means there is some way in which God could be BETTER.
B. If God could be BETTER in some way, then he wasn't already perfect... he wasn't already as great or perfect as he could be.
C. If God EVER had some kind of need or lack within himself, then he wasn't yet perfected... he wasn't perfect.
That's basically how it works.
That has been the orthodox view of God's perfection for a very long time.
It's very sound reasoning, it's very biblical, and I didn't just dream it up on a whim.
If you don't agree, that's fine.
It didn't come from me... it's been the traditional and orthodox view for a long time.
Take care.
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A. If God had some kind of need, that means there is some way in which God could be BETTER.
B. If God could be BETTER in some way, then he wasn't already perfect... he wasn't already as great or perfect as he could be.
C. If God EVER had some kind of need or lack within himself, then he wasn't yet perfected... he wasn't perfect.
That's basically how it works.
That has been the orthodox view of God's perfection for a very long time.
It's very sound reasoning, it's very biblical, and I didn't just dream it up on a whim.
If you don't agree, that's fine.
It didn't come from me... it's been the traditional and orthodox view for a long time.
Take care.
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The man spoken about in Isaiah experienced loneliness.
Isaiah 53
He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
did he feel alone heading to the whipping post, with all the disciples left him.
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I canāt agree brother
God serves us by giving us our health. Our families. Our churches. Teaching us, Our planet, He gives us food. He serves us in so so many ways.
That what his plan.
You serve your children, If your a good servant, your relationship with yur children will flourish
If your a bad servant, Your relationship with yoru children will be restrained.
We pay and seek God, because we NEED HIM, to serve us,, so we can BETTER serve him and others.
God serves us by giving us our health. Our families. Our churches. Teaching us, Our planet, He gives us food. He serves us in so so many ways.
That what his plan.
You serve your children, If your a good servant, your relationship with yur children will flourish
If your a bad servant, Your relationship with yoru children will be restrained.
We pay and seek God, because we NEED HIM, to serve us,, so we can BETTER serve him and others.
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Servant
I don't think there's any disagreement about the actual core of this discussion - that God sustains us and cares for us.
I think the issue just revolves around the connotations of the word "servant."
The word can be used in different ways.
The word "servant" often connotes a person who is subservient to someone else, or under someone else's authority.
Obviously, this definition doesn't really fit God in his heavenly glory.
2 Definitions:
A. If we're using the word to mean someone who "cares for, sustains, ministers to"... then God is a servant.
B. If we're using the word to mean someone who is "subservient to, and under authority of someone higher", then God is not a servant.
Jesus:
Please remember, when Jesus was in his earthly form, he fit BOTH definitions... because he put away his divine glory, for a time, and "took on the form of a servant".
Sometimes people are not really disagreeing, they're just looking at the same word in different ways.
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I don't think there's any disagreement about the actual core of this discussion - that God sustains us and cares for us.
I think the issue just revolves around the connotations of the word "servant."
The word can be used in different ways.
The word "servant" often connotes a person who is subservient to someone else, or under someone else's authority.
Obviously, this definition doesn't really fit God in his heavenly glory.
2 Definitions:
A. If we're using the word to mean someone who "cares for, sustains, ministers to"... then God is a servant.
B. If we're using the word to mean someone who is "subservient to, and under authority of someone higher", then God is not a servant.
Jesus:
Please remember, when Jesus was in his earthly form, he fit BOTH definitions... because he put away his divine glory, for a time, and "took on the form of a servant".
Sometimes people are not really disagreeing, they're just looking at the same word in different ways.
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