Once saved always saved? Or is salvation conditional on believing and following God's Word?

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mailmandan

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Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
LyiLet your yes be yes and your no be no.
Everything in our faith is based on words. In fact our whole lives use words to describe
and deal with all our relationships and issues.

So lying and being accused of it is serious. Paul said liars will not inherit the Kingdom.
Integrity, truthfulness, honesty are our bedrock.
 

Rosemaryx

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Luke 8:17
For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all. ...xox...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Liars will not be let in

So why does he think he will make it?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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huh

lost your audience so now you are talking to yourself

do you think I have hit my head between my first post to you and the one before this one?

the corner you painted yourself into does not leave much room for negotiation

you are holding yourself hostage

let me put it in a plain brown wrapper

I'm not buying this either
Peter jens used to do that alot.. Just another characteristic they share..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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We're kind of weird, don't you think?

We just assume that the experiences we have had with the Lord are the same experiences that everyone must have had as well.

I assume that people come to the Lord because they have found they cannot be Righteous through their own work. So they need help.

But it doesn't appear that is how everyone has come to the Lord. Some people still think that it is their own work that makes them Righteous before the Lord. That they must work to be righteous because there is no other way. And even though they know they fall a little short they keep trying and trying knowing that the Lord forgives them for their falling short.

I don't understand this second way. But I do have to say it seems very popular. People seem to really understand it and get behind it. I know I liked it when I was thinking this way. I understood it. You reap what you sow. And everyone says Amen.

I guess He loves us even though we are dumb. Thankfully. Do you consider yourself fairly dumb before the Lord? I know I do. I assumed everything wrong and had to be taught everything like a little child. If He wouldn't have intervened in my life there was no way I was piecing it together. Even though I had read the bible from cover to cover at least 7 times. I just couldn't grasp it until the Lord revealed it to me. Then it was so obvious that I felt even dumber. How come I couldn't understand these simple concepts?

Because the bible tells us they are hidden. They are only revealed in Christ.

Matthew 7:7-8
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
He does call us sheep.

Sadly, I think many of us think we are more than that..and thats their stumbling stone
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Care to admit the old usernames you used to post under on CC?

If I start posting quotes I am sure more people will see why you hide behind a new mask.






Double talk.




(his two previous banned accounts I strongly suspect are PeterJens and LightLoveHope respectively... both of which have the same writing style and false works based doctrine, though the accusations and double talk became more subtle with each banned account)
I showed a week ago posts from peter jens and this user. And how they use the same format. The same words. And the same strategy,

He forgets, you stick around long enough. You will be known.. And you can only hide so much.. The lord will expose you. As also your true nature is not changed, it will always come out.

He just refuses to admit it, because he knows the moment he does. BOOM, he is banned again.
Its like a legalist who is struggling with some sin, who hides it, because he knows that the moment his churhc finds out his sin...BOOM he is gone..


One problem. You can’t hide it from god.

So when you preach righteousness, and yet live in sin, Your true self is exposed.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I hope you know I do love you... even if you were the man who used to encourage me to march in the wrong direction.

No matter how we argue I truly want what's best for you.


I worry for you and have prayed for you.....

May you see exactly what God wants you to see
Amen, if only they could see this, ALl of them
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Then may I please ask one yes or no question?

No need for a long explination.... only a couple seconds...

two letter or three letters.



Have you ever had an account on christianchat that was banned?


Yes or no?

I will never ask again after this and I will believe what you say.

I know I would have told the truth even before I was delivered from my false understanding.
One thing peter used to do. Is when he got direct questions like this, he would sometimes disappear for awhile. Until he thought no one remembered your question. Then come back in as if it was never asked.
 
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One thing peter used to do. Is when he got direct questions like this, he would sometimes disappear for awhile. Until he thought no one remembered your question. Then come back in as if it was never asked.
AMEN...........My radar is highly tuned.....and they ALL give themselves away at some point....a phrase, mannerism, style, the way they spell certain words, saying........something.............and a GOOD TELL......the refusal to say YES OR NO if asked if they are a certain person......they all have believed in a works based self saving false gospel and that question gets them every time........or....they will answer without answering.......or misdirect without answering.........hilariously sad........
 
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UnderGrace

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Delivering more than the the mail today Mr MMD :).....very interesting.


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FollowHisSteps said:

Let your yes be yes and your no be no.

FollowHisSteps said:

Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
Everything in our faith is based on words. In fact our whole lives use words to describe
and deal with all our relationships and issues.

So lying and being accused of it is serious. Paul said liars will not inherit the Kingdom.
Integrity, truthfulness, honesty are our bedrock.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Hi 7,

Do not know quite what is your issue.
As a child you tried to be perfect and failed. You blamed the 4 spiritual laws.
We have Christ as our Lord, and in love he shared the path of life.

Are you saying you do not walk the path, and Christ is not your Lord?
As a believer this is your testimony. But are you now denying these two things,
or have you a different story.

Certainly I touched a nerve, and you went boom.
So much so, you want attention, you want to declare how bad I am, and how
wounded and hurt you are.

You can say I am not your brother, I am some evil deceiver peddling poison, except
that is actually just rejecting Jesus and His word. Which do you really want?

did you take an amateur course in psychological wrangling?

I quote:

'I don't know quite what your issue is'...

as a child I was a child. like most children

the rest is your dabbling in playing doctor.

you have touched no nerve, and nobody went boom.

you are not equipped to deal with me, don't have a clue, and that is usually how dishonest people view those who call them on their lies

no you are not my brother. I have 2 physical brothers and some brothers here, but no, you are not one to me at all

and Jesus is also my brother, He said so in His word.

I never called you evil but maybe your conscience is bothering you?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I have reread this.
Interestingly on this forum many have been saying I am with self on the throne and need converting.
Like yourself, I was slightly confused, and these guys are trying to make me like themselves, even
suggesting I am like them many years ago.

Interestingly vco used these very diagrams to talk about his faith and how central it is to have Jesus
at the centre of their life.

It is easy to miss-understand one another, and be sure you know them and who they are and what
they are saying, while missing their heart.

So I smile at you combative approach, I know it well, and meet it many times.
I am not legalistic or judgemental, but you are judging me by these very words.

EG as an individual loves to condemn me at every turn, God bless him. So I laugh at his attitude,
as if faith that produces fruit is not the will of God.

12 These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm--shepherds
who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees,
without fruit and uprooted--twice dead.
Jude 1

17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate,
submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
James 3

10 And we pray this in order that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and may please him in
every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God,
Col 10

16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last.
Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.
John 15

8 This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
John 15

43 "Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a
people who will produce its fruit.
Matt 21

The fruit Jesus is talking about

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Gal 5

Amen.

VCO? who dat?

you are scrapping the barrel dude

So I smile at you combative approach, I know it well, and meet it many times.
I am not legalistic or judgemental, but you are judging me by these very words.
nope

your own words judge you
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Hemustincrease/3rdAngel/LoveGodForever was not fooling us. ;)

I don't know and don't get involved with banners coming back under different names

when someone did accuse me of that, quite some time ago, I just took it to a mod and the mod straightened that person out

I have had more than one account, but I left and have never been banned. no use in leaving really, if you are just going to come back

a rest probably will do you good though

so my point is, if dude here is as innocent as he claims, no prob...just get a mode tell everyone else they are wrong

shrugs and sips coffee :coffee::coffee::coffee:
 

CherieR

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The problem I see with calling users out as former users under a different user name is that there is not enough proof for such assertion. There are people who speak in similar ways and different ways than each other. Some people can share very similar personalities and that can come out through speech, behavior, and writing. I often am one who likes to ask questions and this comes out as much of my own threads that I started are questions. I am sure there are people out there who can relate to me in this way and others.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Motives

Why are people wanting to know who was who in the past?

Is holding certain position a crime? Or is it a desire to oppose some because of a conviction they are evil?

I get told for saying I walk the way of Jesus I am wrong or working faith is heresy because fruit is not part of salvation.

Unfortunately for those who say this, Jesus condemned Israel for no fruit. Fruit matters to God, fruitless things are destroyed.

I will do a thread on this. Please understand, God loves you, but sinners are judged for what they do. We need fear, we need humbling, we need to know in Him we have life eternal.

If God judged today, confusion would reign. Let love rule your heart. God bless you.
 

iamsoandso

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motive,,,,,


indeed it ....is,,, if one considers salvation, saved ect. as present tense, they have no motive in acquiring salvation yet if they do not believe it they will seek after it instead of being thankful for it...their works confess their faith...
 

mailmandan

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@Hemustincrease

Is Obedience to the Bible Essential to Salvation?
Must We Obey Jesus to Be Forgiven of Sin?

https://www.gospelway.com/salvation/obedience.php
The gospelway website is operated by the church of Christ (Campbellism) and they pervert the gospel by teaching salvation by works with a heavy emphasis on water baptism (which explains why you were drawn to that article). Like other works-salvationists, Campbellites confuse descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture and justification with ongoing sanctification. The end result is salvation through faith PLUS OBEDIENCE/WORKS.

Would you be interested in what the gospelway website has to say about speaking in tongues? ;)

Tongue-Speaking and Miraculous Gifts of the Holy Spirit

What modern "tongue-speakers" utter is gibberish that no one present understands, themselves included. There is no evidence they speak any existing language, and studies have shown that they do not speak any known language. Of all the millions who claim to have this gift today, rarely does one find anyone who even claims to speak a human language they have not studied. The reason is obvious: if they made the claim, they could be easily tested by calling in someone who knows that language! If people claim they know someone who spoke a known language, it is always someone long ago or far away. It is impossible to get witnesses who can be checked out (John 8:17). It follows that, despite their claims, modern "tongue-speakers" do not have the same gift that was received by the apostles in Acts 2 and is described in other New Testament passages.

https://www.gospelway.com/topics/god/tongues_today.php