Not By Works

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I just told an intrusive telemarketer to go make love to herself. Did I just lose my salvation or is it that I’ve never had salvation because I lack love for intrusive telemarketers? Do tell.
 
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dcontroversal said:
You know....The rich man while burning in hell told Abraham that the law and prophets would not work and or keep his 5 brothers from coming into that place of torment.......and it was told to him by ONE that was not in HELL, but rather in paradise with the other poor sap that was being comforted.....the same Lazarus that lay at his gates full of sores......

People will ride error with eyes wide shut straight to the pits of hell and STILL refuse to to believe the correct message..even while burning in hell!!!!!
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Yes it is true. :( :confused:
 
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Smooth said:
I just told an intrusive telemarketer to go make love to herself. Did I just lose my salvation or is it that I’ve never had salvation because I lack love for intrusive telemarketers? Do tell.
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When they call me....I tell them not interested, remove my name and slam the phone HAHAH
 
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Smooth said:
I just told an intrusive telemarketer to go make love to herself. Did I just lose my salvation or is it that I’ve never had salvation because I lack love for intrusive telemarketers? Do tell.
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No! It's would be because you told her do engage in non hetrosexual behavior out side of marriage.
 
dcontroversal said:
Never said there was 2 salvation's deceiver.....but rather two aspects of it....get your facts straight or do not address me ever again...I despise dishonest people.....!!!
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No, you get your facts straight. The bible has used the word salvation in all tenses, saved, we are being saved, we shall be saved.
There's only one salvation with one aspect to it, not two or three. We are being saved from eternal death.

What Christ has already done is in the past but translates to promises for us in the future
What we are doing is now and is continuous so that we get to the promises which came with the atoning sacrifice
But all in all, we shall be saved if we endure to the end.
 
EPH. 2:8.
For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9.
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before
ordained that we should walk in them.

everyone should READ ALL THREE VERSES, because, when a word is 'repeated' in Scripture,
it is telling us to 'pay ATTENTION' - so, as far as Salvation, 'works' is of no 'merit', but,
according to Christ's Workmanship in us, they are VERY IMPORTANT, because,
GOD ALMIGHTY has ORDAINED that 'we should walk in them'...

as it is written:
MATT. 5:16.
Let your Light so shine before men, that they may see your 'good works', and 'glorify your Father which is in heaven'.
 
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UnderGrace said:
I just want to tell you, you are wrong.
Not sure who has taught this or if you have made it up yourself but it completely outside of biblical truth.
How many voices need to tell you before you will re-evaluate what you believe?
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I don't need to hear anyone, i used to believe OSAS but not anymore. Can someone convince me to go back? not possible but if it happens, it will happen.
But as it is now, the bible clearly says, absolute faith without love means nothing.
 
Noose said:
No, you get your facts straight. The bible has used the word salvation in all tenses, saved, we are being saved, we shall be saved.
There's only one salvation with one aspect to it, not two or three. We are being saved from eternal death.

What Christ has already done is in the past but translates to promises for us in the future
What we are doing is now and is continuous so that we get to the promises which came with the atoning sacrifice
But all in all, we shall be saved if we endure to the end.
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Don't address me deceiver......you are not of God....what you peddle is false....end of story....

Spirit saved NOW......BODY at the resurrection/change......

DO not address me man....you are false.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
You obviously do not know what you are talking about....and are oblivious to the dual aspect of salvation....ONE being the IMMEDIATE salvation of man by being born again of incorruptible seed and the LATTER being the resurrected or changed glorified body.....

You guys devalue Christ and salvation so much it makes me want to puke!!
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Really, you are going to be sick.
Must be clown show night at
the circus. Multicoloured with
Streamers, lol.
The problem with hard hearts
they have to be dramatic to make
a point.
 
Smooth said:
You have need for God’s grace?
Weeping and gnashing of teeth is your eternal destiny. I reiterate; I pity you.
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Rom 10:5For concerning the righteousness that is by the law, Moses writes: “The man who does these things will live by them.”a 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’b (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or, ‘Who will descend into the Abyss?’c (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”
 
Smooth said:
Who are these multitudes of whom you speak who have faith without love?
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I often hear works-salvationists misinterpret 1 Corinthians 13:13 to mean that man is saved through faith plus love/acts of charity. If someone has genuine saving faith in Christ and has received the Holy Spirit, it would be impossible for them to have NO love at all. (1 John 4:7-8) Paul uses hyperbole (obvious and intentional exaggeration) about understanding ALL mysteries and ALL knowledge and having faith that can move mountains yet having NO love, but Paul is not exaggerating about the importance of love.

Faith works through love (Galatians 5:6), but we are saved through faith, not faith "plus love/acts of charity." Love is the greater quality of the three because God is love and it outlasts them all. Long after faith and hope are no longer necessary, love will still be the governing principle that controls all that God and his saints are and do. We won't need faith and hope in our glorified bodies in the presence of the Lord.

In 1 Corinthians 13:13, Paul is not teaching that even if our faith is genuine that our faith cannot save us without producing "enough" love/acts of charity. Paul is stressing the importance of love, not teaching that faith is insufficient to save us without our best efforts to love. All genuine BELIEVERS love Christ. Why? Because we have received the love of God in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us (Romans 5:5) when we believed the gospel (Ephesians 1:13). We love Him because He first loved us (1 John 4:19).
 
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oldethennew said:
EPH. 2:8.
For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9.
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before
ordained that we should walk in them.

everyone should READ ALL THREE VERSES, because, when a word is 'repeated' in Scripture,
it is telling us to 'pay ATTENTION' - so, as far as Salvation, 'works' is of no 'merit', but,
according to Christ's Workmanship in us, they are VERY IMPORTANT, because,
GOD ALMIGHTY has ORDAINED that 'we should walk in them'...

as it is written:
MATT. 5:16.
Let your Light so shine before men, that they may see your 'good works', and 'glorify your Father which is in heaven'.
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It has nothing to do with “maintaining” salvation.
 
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if you believe that you truly belong to Christ and are a member of 'His Church', then, why in the world would you care
about 'any-worldly-irritation/baiting'??? which is, in God's eyes of no 'consequence'!!!

it may be a time for 'fasting & introspection'...
 
Noose said:
Rom 10:5For concerning the righteousness that is by the law, Moses writes: “The man who does these things will live by them.”a 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’b (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or, ‘Who will descend into the Abyss?’c (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”
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I’ll take that as an affirmation of your doom.
 
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Noose said:
I don't need to hear anyone, i used to believe OSAS but not anymore. Can someone convince me to go back? not possible but if it happens, it will happen.
But as it is now, the bible clearly says, absolute faith without love means nothing.
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Are you telling me that you used to have the correct Gospel and then decided to go for a false Gospel.

If this is true, what is the correct Gospel that you abandoned?
 
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