Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[Grandpa]

By reinterpreting/misinterpreting it. Next question...lol

Strange that didn't even cross my mind. Why would someone do that?

Thanks SG...

 

[calibob]

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[Grandpa]

You turn and walk away, You do not abide. You do not like it because you like the doctrine of man better or you are just evil or you become deceived.

Salvation isn't even by our work. It is a gift.

So you are saying that someone turns away from a gift? Does not abide in a gift?

No. You aren't saying that. You are saying that Salvation is based on work. People turn away from the work that some may think is required to maintain or keep salvation.

Fundamental error. But common.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Strange that didn't even cross my mind. Why would someone do that?

Thanks SG...

Usually they don't even know hey are doing it because as Peter explained;

2Pe 3:16 NIV He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

and their ignorant distortions lead to, next verse;


2Pe 3:17 NIV Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

 

[Grandpa]

LAW PUSHERS LIKE THE ONE WHO SAID "FOR VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONT TITTLE SHALL IN NO WIS PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED"
YOU KNOW THE "LAW PUSHER" WHO SAID THAT?
Your post starts out with "Law pushers" claim and then you quote Jesus. By that I figure "Law pushers" are followers of Jesus.

OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. YES, JESUS WAS A LAW PUSHER. More than that. Jesus was a COVENANT CHANGER. I told Grandpa and I told someone else I will have to go see who, and please don't believe me go study for your self,

THE LAW OF MOSES IS NO MORE.
It has been replaced by a new law. Read some of it in Matt 5 where Jesus says 5 times "But I say unto you" and gives the description of the law as it was under Moses, FOLLOWED BY THE NEW COVENANT LAW UNDER JESUS, Called the law of the kingdom of God. When Jesus is telling me the law used to say BUT NOW HE SAYS, I myself just take that as law from God and I best follow it.


PLEASE HEAR ME MARCELO, IN ORDER FOR JESUS, THE LAW PUSHER, to bring in the NEW COVENANT OF LIFE AND FORGIVENESS, (o death where is thy sting?) THE OLD COVENANT OF CONDEMNATION AND DEATH HAD TO BE REMOVED, NOT THAT IT WASN'T SET TO EXPIRE ANYWAY (it was only good up until John).
There was an Old Covenant that God gave but though it was beautiful and glorious, foolish man could not or would not follow it. It had some pretty harsh parts and in the end you died. Death had a total sting. But still The law was the way you got close to God. The law was the way you gave pleasure to God. When you obeyed God and His laws God was happy. God would bless and fight for you and give you good advice and as long as the laws of God were being followed, life was great. But foolish foolish man kept thinking they knew better than God and every time things were going well (because they were following Gods laws) they would cast God and His laws aside. God would sent prophets to give them messages, but they were, and my word here, STUPID. The creator of all there is wants to lead them and they say NO we will do it our way and then when things got really bad they would realize He said if we don't follow the law we will lose His protection, and they had.
Any way, if you broke one law you broke them all and when you died you died. The only way to have life after death was to be perfect.
So God sent Himself to do what we could not do and through immense pain and humiliation and suffering and persecution and death, found a better and easier way for us to have life after death. We no longer had to work for life, He gave it to us. All we had to do was Love Him more than anything and every thing and love each other and live the life we "accepted" to live when we took Jesus as our Lord and Savior and that is to do it His ways and His ways are laws. Plain and simple.

We are born under Grace.
Not under the law of death. the law of grace. the law of the kingdom of God. Love and easy life through love and obedience.
We can not be under the law as it does no longer exist.
IT IS THE LAW OF MOSES, THE LAW OF DEATH AND CONDEMNATION, THAT NO LONGER EXISTS
We can not be bound by something that isn't. All these break one break them all, break one die a sinner,
This was a part of that law that we do not follow.
EVERY TIME THAT IS SAID, IT IS NEGATING WHAT JESUS DID FOR US. IT IS EFFECTIVELY SAYING JESUS DID NOT DO WHAT HE SAID HE DID AND WHAT DOES THAT MAKE JESUS? .
A covenant is only a covenant when it is made with blood. Jesus was that blood. So every time you bring up the law of deathlike it is still the law, you do not acknowledge the law of love that Jesus paid for with His Blood. If you would have died to make life better for your family yet they only ever brought up the hard times before you death and didn't appreciate how well off you had left them after that death, How would you feel?
SO
TO SUGGEST THAT ANY ONE IS UNDER THE LAW, OR THAT THEY BREAK ONE BREAK THEM ALL and they are condemmed to death, IN THIS DAY AND AGE IS PUTTING FORTH FALSE DOCTRINE. we ARE GOING TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT we TEACH.

I hope this clears it all up. If not let me know where I messed up and I will fix it until I get it right.

The Word of God for this "age" will be the exact same always. How we are to react to it changes. We follow Jesus to life, we leave Moses to death behind. How could we teach anyone about God and what He has done, and why we are here and what He likes and what He doesn't and what He will do and what He wont do and

How would we ever be able to tell the same His story, if a jot or tittle changed? We can't even do it without a jot or tittle changed. Truth is truth and it can't be changed. Observance can change. not the Word.

The Law of Moses does still exist.

The Lord Jesus said Himself that until Heaven and Earth pass NOT one jot or one tittle would pass from the law until all was fulfilled.

The Law (of sin and condemnation and death, 10 commandments) is what brings us to Christ.

So to say that the Lord Jesus Christ destroyed that law and it no longer exists is fundamentally incorrect.


What happens when one comes to Christ is that they are under a New Authority. They are no longer under the law of sin and death. They are under Grace.

But those who try to go back to the law, with all their myriad excuses, don't understand this simplicity. They have to make the scriptures say all kinds of things that they just DON'T say.

 

[Grandpa]

Usually they don't even know hey are doing it because as Peter explained;

2Pe 3:16 NIV He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

and their ignorant distortions lead to, next verse;


2Pe 3:17 NIV Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

I know.

The scripture is so simple I don't know why some people have such a hard time with it.

Paul says the exact same thing as Peter does here but some just don't hear it.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


The ignorant and unstable twist the meaning of "the error of the lawless" into meaning the exact opposite!!! They try to make that say the error of the lawless is NOT going back to the yoke of bondage.

They probably don't even know they are doing it. Like you said.

 

[SimpleGardner]

I know.

The scripture is so simple I don't know why some people have such a hard time with it.

Paul says the exact same thing as Peter does here but some just don't hear it.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


The ignorant and unstable twist the meaning of "the error of the lawless" into meaning the exact opposite!!! They try to make that say the error of the lawless is NOT going back to the yoke of bondage.

They probably don't even know they are doing it. Like you said.

Be careful to read the verse completely! Don't return to the "Yoke of Bondage" The law is not bondage sin is bondage. You have a knee jerk reaction which is to blame everything on the Law, but the only evil is SIN which is simply disobeying the Law.

I think your lamp will simply remain light on oil. The Law is the Oil in the lamp that's why;

Pro 21:20 KJV There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up. (WHO ARE THE WISE?) Think Wise Virgins.
Psa 119:105 KJV NUN. Thy word (Torah) is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Pro 6:23 KJV For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

So can you see why there are virgins/Christians in the last days who can't find their way? No oil (Torah)

 

[KJV1611]

Matt 5
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

It is not easy to interprate

1. Persecute for righteousness sake inherit heaven, is that mean non persecute not inherit?

Or both persecute and non persecute in herit?

Jesus say the world Will hate you because you not from the world.

Is that posible Being Christian but love d by the world?

2. What is persecuted mean, go to prison or If one hate you, consider persecuted?

You see everything from the “I have to do” perspective so when you read the beatitudes you think it’s something you have to do. I must be meek, I must be merciful etc.

The truth is that every one of the beatitudes is the attributes of a true Christian. So it’s not a list of “do’s” it’s a list of “done’s”.

People aren’t going to inherit the earth because they are meek they are inheriting the earth because they are sons of God through Jesus and meekness is an attribute of a son of God.

 

[KJV1611]

Be careful to read the verse completely! Don't return to the "Yoke of Bondage" The law is not bondage sin is bondage. You have a knee jerk reaction which is to blame everything on the Law, but the only evil is SIN which is simply disobeying the Law.

I think your lamp will simply remain light on oil. The Law is the Oil in the lamp that's why;

Pro 21:20 KJV There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up. (WHO ARE THE WISE?) Think Wise Virgins.
Psa 119:105 KJV NUN. Thy word (Torah) is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Pro 6:23 KJV For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

So can you see why there are virgins/Christians in the last days who can't find their way? No oil (Torah)

Thy word isn't the Torah it’s the entire Bible. The oil is the Holy Spirit that causes the lamp (the word) to produce light (knowledge).

 

[SimpleGardner]

You see everything from the “I have to do” perspective so when you read the beatitudes you think it’s something you have to do. I must be meek, I must be merciful etc.

The truth is that every one of the beatitudes is the attributes of a true Christian. So it’s not a list of “do’s” it’s a list of “done’s”.

People aren’t going to inherit the earth because they are meek they are inheriting the earth because they are sons of God through Jesus and meekness is an attribute of a son of God.

Do you ever consider that someone who is enjoying a fullness in the Holy Spirit might have a deeper level of love for God and His commandments than you or I? Or do you assume that your perspective on Holiness has reached a pinnacle from which you are given a position of authority to judge another mans walk?

 

[SimpleGardner]

Thy word isn't the Torah it’s the entire Bible. The oil is the Holy Spirit that causes the lamp (the word) to produce light (knowledge).

So you say "the word" and "knowledge" produces "light" I have seen this error too many times. So any man who simply gets the Holy Spirit oil as you say produces "knowledge" or "light" No mention of righteousness or good works or obedience, none of that is necessary just a miracle of imputation from rebirth to last breath!

Sounds like an easy ride. Pay up your hell insurance policy and get back to a life of whatever! Right?

I already know that a life without following the Holy Spirits leading into the Word of God, no not just the words of Pauls where those who like to twist thisgs dwell! is empty. He is practically the only one they quote. Peter warned about how many twist Pauls words! Sure you want to be one of them?

 

[Jackson123]

You see everything from the “I have to do” perspective so when you read the beatitudes you think it’s something you have to do. I must be meek, I must be merciful etc.

The truth is that every one of the beatitudes is the attributes of a true Christian. So it’s not a list of “do’s” it’s a list of “done’s”.

People aren’t going to inherit the earth because they are meek they are inheriting the earth because they are sons of God through Jesus and meekness is an attribute of a son of God.

I know that is fruit. Do you think Being persecuted also atribute?

 

[KJV1611]

Do you ever consider that someone who is enjoying a fullness in the Holy Spirit might have a deeper level of love for God and His commandments than you or I? Or do you assume that your perspective on Holiness has reached a pinnacle from which you are given a position of authority to judge another mans walk?

Are you saying that you have a deeper level of love for God than I do? It's best to attack the idea rather than the guy putting forth the idea.

So let's start here:
Are you meek?
Are you inheriting the earth due to your meekness or are you inheriting the earth due to the FINISHED work of Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

So you say "the word" and "knowledge" produces "light" I have seen this error too many times. So any man who simply gets the Holy Spirit oil as you say produces "knowledge" or "light" No mention of righteousness or good works or obedience, none of that is necessary just a miracle of imputation from rebirth to last breath!

Sounds like an easy ride. Pay up your hell insurance policy and get back to a life of whatever! Right?

I already know that a life without following the Holy Spirits leading into the Word of God, no not just the words of Pauls where those who like to twist thisgs dwell! is empty. He is practically the only one they quote. Peter warned about how many twist Pauls words! Sure you want to be one of them?

Ok let's take it step by step and see i you're right. Let's start with this:

You said: Psa 119:105 KJV NUN. Thy word (Torah) is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Was Torah in that verse or did you add that part?

 

[SimpleGardner]

Are you saying that you have a deeper level of love for God than I do? It's best to attack the idea rather than the guy putting forth the idea.

So let's start here:
Are you meek?
Are you inheriting the earth due to your meekness or are you inheriting the earth due to the FINISHED work of Christ.

Please reread

 

[KJV1611]

Please reread

Let's not reread, please answer the question:
Are you inheriting the earth due to your meekness or are you inheriting the earth due to the FINISHED work of Christ.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Ok let's take it step by step and see i you're right. Let's start with this:

You said: Psa 119:105 KJV NUN. Thy word (Torah) is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Was Torah in that verse or did you add that part?

Paranthetical words or phrases-They can enclose a single word, a phrase, or even an entire sentence. Typically, the words inside the parentheses provide extra information about something else in the sentence.


Mat 4:4 KJV But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


The Torah was and is what the people of God "live by", so yes "word" is synonomous with Torah.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Let's not reread, please answer the question:
Are you inheriting the earth due to your meekness or are you inheriting the earth due to the FINISHED work of Christ.

I take it you did not read the words "You and I". Please feel free to reread.

 

[KJV1611]

Paranthetical words or phrases-They can enclose a single word, a phrase, or even an entire sentence. Typically, the words inside the parentheses provide extra information about something else in the sentence.


Mat 4:4 KJV But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


The Torah was and is what the people of God "live by", so yes "word" is synonomous with Torah.

Is Matthew, Mark Luke and John, Romans etc. Part of the Torah? Are they considered a part of "thy word"?

 

[SimpleGardner]

Is Matthew, Mark Luke and John, Romans etc. Part of the Torah? Are they considered a part of "thy word"?

I will answer your question but first, Did Jesus give Moses the Torah?