Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

Well Dan, ask yourself who gave the dietary laws. It was the pre-incarnate Christ Himself (see 1 Cor. 10:4). Then ask yourself why He gave them. If you come to the conclusion it was for our own good, then you will know why you should keep them. Got it? View attachment 202156

According to paul he gave them as a schoolmaster to lead us to christ

So what can dietary laws do to point us to christ?

 

[SimpleGardner]

The word would be "impasse" which is where we stand in reference to any constructive fellowship. You accuse and demean. I feel for your lost heart, but am comforted in knowing you chose freely and were not misled. As your scripture citation says;
The goal of Gods command is love, which comes from pure hearts, good conscience and sincere faith.

To answer your other question; "Is it more loving........" Neither. Your premise is flawed.

Jas 1:27 NIV Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Going back one verse addresses your propensity to cast dispersion's;

Jas 1:26 NIV If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.

And why not back it up one more:

Jas 1:25 NIV But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.

Do you think the book of James is inspired GP?

Somehow I don't think GP is going to answer this one. One day, maybe!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Somehow I don't think GP is going to answer this one. One day, maybe!

From someone who continually refuses to answer questions.
How dare you even question if someone may or may not answer one of yours?

Talk about hypocritical!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And by the way, I am sure GP will answer it, I am sure, Because it does not negate what GP believes.. so I look forward to GP’s answer..

 

[Yahshua]

I read them fine

The whole law means the whole law. Paul was not trying to trick people. He said clearly, if your going to be circumcized to be saved your indebted to follow every command given moses (the whole law)

And as paul said later. Even those who follow the law and get circumcized can obey the Whole law (remember, Moses demanded the people obey every word. Paul confirmed what moses said, and james said if you keep every wrd, but miss in one part, your guilty of all)


I love it when you all try to water down the law and tell us we need to follow it, Yet when you say whole law. You do not mean the Whole law)

What was James' concluding point in verse 12 of the passage you cited? You have to address that if you're going to claim I'm doing what you say I am.

 

[DeighAnn]

Hey DeighAnn,

Sadly the RT guys are not there to hear our words in order to learn, No they wish to condemn us with them. Remind you of any characters in the NT?

RT?

 

[Deade]

According to paul he gave them as a schoolmaster to lead us to christ

So what can dietary laws do to point us to christ?

They all point to Christ, dietary or otherwise. He is the One that gave them and He does not change: Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What was James' concluding point in verse 12 of the passage you cited? You have to address that if you're going to claim I'm doing what you say I am.

He stated a fact to begin with vs 12 does not negate that fact. Vs 8 - 11 proves this.

Vs 12 just shows that mercy triumphs over judgment

Thats true, Grace triumphs over law. Ecause as paul said in Gal 3. The law judges completely.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They all point to Christ, dietary or otherwise. He is the One that gave them and He does not change: Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." View attachment 202158

Yep

And what happens after one comes to christ? (See gal 3)

 

[SimpleGardner]

Well It's not about convincing you, it's simply about fully reading/listening to what the NT writers taught...and if they - who tasted of the heavenly gift of the holy spirit - are not believed then all the proof in the world won't matter. Notice what the Messiah said about such things...he was speaking about repentance from sins using Lazarus & the rich man as an example:


Luke 16:27-31

[Rich man says] Then I beg you, father,’ he said, ‘send Lazarus to my father’s house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them so they will not also end up in this place of torment.’

29 But Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let your brothers listen to them.’

30‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone is sent to them from the dead, they will repent.’

31Then Abraham said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”


The Holy Spirit given to the apostles won't conflict with the Holy Spirit given to the believer today.

Remember that the mystery of lawlessness was already growing in Paul's day, so what does that mean for that spirit nearly 2000 years later? Imagine how prevalent such a spirit is now?

The problem Israel had is they were given a list but had no desire to follow them. There was/is nothing wrong with the list, but we have the same issue today. There's nothing wrong with the list for it to be added to or taken away from. The issue is we have a lot of religious people who (again) have no desire to follow the list.

...but the Holy Spirit was promised to fix that lack of desire...

So isn't proof positive of what is missing in many Christians today?

Again, the mystery of lawlessness was prophesied to fall on the people in the latter days, in fulfillment of scripture. So this is what we're fighting against inside all of us.

Again and again Y, Right on the head!

Really appreciate the way you word it so clearly!

Is it a fear of getting to really Know Jesus or the Father?

Is it a love of sin that they won't repent and die?

I know Israel was given the opportunity we were;

Exo 20:19 NIV and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die."

Exo 20:18-21 NIV When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance (19) and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die." (20) Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning." (21) The people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness where God was.

The one above in bold, could that be what they missed that inspection from within by the Holy Spirit?

Perhaps that why they chose rather to do see underlined part, and kept their distance.

Is this what we are witnessing with the contentious ones?

SG

 

[SimpleGardner]

RT?

Reformed Theology - Calvanism

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Reformed Theology - Calvanism

Who here is calvinist?

You are so stuck on anticalvinism, you can’t hear what people say.

You have been told already most of us have nothing to do with calvinism. But as usual, you seem to have selective hearing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again and again Y, Right on the head!

Really appreciate the way you word it so clearly!

Is it a fear of getting to really Know Jesus or the Father?

Is it a love of sin that they won't repent and die?

I know Israel was given the opportunity we were;

Exo 20:19 NIV and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die."

Exo 20:18-21 NIV When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance (19) and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die." (20) Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning." (21) The people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness where God was.

The one above in bold, could that be what they missed that inspection from within by the Holy Spirit?

Perhaps that why they chose rather to do see underlined part, and kept their distance.

Is this what we are witnessing with the contentious ones?

SG

Again, You slander people

How can you live in sin, yet judge other people as sinners, when your wrong about them?

 

[Deade]

Yep

And what happens after one comes to christ? (See gal 3)

Galatians 3 is about justification. We know our justification is not in keeping the law. We feel the law is just our reasonable service.

Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again and again Y, Right on the head!

Really appreciate the way you word it so clearly!

Is it a fear of getting to really Know Jesus or the Father?

Is it a love of sin that they won't repent and die?

I know Israel was given the opportunity we were;

Exo 20:19 NIV and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die."

Exo 20:18-21 NIV When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance (19) and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die." (20) Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning." (21) The people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness where God was.

The one above in bold, could that be what they missed that inspection from within by the Holy Spirit?

Perhaps that why they chose rather to do see underlined part, and kept their distance.

Is this what we are witnessing with the contentious ones?

SG

Also, we are not afraid of God. We are loved by hom, and we love him.

You need to stop with your silly petty attacks and for once in your life listen to people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Galatians 3 is about justification. We know our justification is not in keeping the law. We feel the law is just our reasonable service.

Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." View attachment 202160

Gal 3 is about the purpose of the law.

Do not add to it something that is not there.

Rom 3 does not negate this, when we come to FAITH in christ, we establish the law

So what happens to the law AFTER it leads us to christ? What did paul say?

 

[gb9]

They all point to Christ, dietary or otherwise. He is the One that gave them and He does not change: Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." View attachment 202158

* except on the Mount of Transfirgeration, God the Father ( truth of Trinity in you face, if you choose to see it), God the Father said, in the prescense of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ) , said of the Son " hear HIM!"

this elevates and separates the Words in Red above and APART from the rest of Scripture.

 

[DeighAnn]

I'm just giving you an opportunity to convince us that Christians are to keep the Law of Moses. With a list of effective Mitzvot in hand it will be easier for us to see your point.

If you give me a list of the Laws with all the Laws except the ones covered by
Jesus as our High Priest,
Jesus is our King,
Jesus as our temple,
Jesus as our blood sacrifice,
All civil and judicial laws taken care of in our courts,
All laws that fall under Government,
All laws for slaves removed,
All the laws for wars
All the laws for businesses
then I will meet you 1/2 way and I will list what ones we follow.

Please remember, these laws were ALL the laws of the land. Many of them have been taken by our respective government agencies. Criminal, Civil, Spiritual, Sacrificial so many of them exist outside of our personal responsibility. Jesus ended many of them with His blood. Well you see what I mean when you read them. And any you discern fall under Love God first and most, and love your neighbor as yourself, no need to list those either. Also I don't know much about farming but I am sure that as the food laws apply to our bodies to keep them healthy the land laws apply to the farmer to keep the land happy. You will find it is in fact, a tiny list. I await my list. Even a little excited about it all.

 

[Deade]

Gal 3 is about the purpose of the law.

Do not add to it something that is not there.

Rom 3 does not negate this, when we come to FAITH in christ, we establish the law

So what happens to the law AFTER it leads us to christ? What did paul say?

Galatians 3 was Paul chiding the Galatians about trying to be justified by the law, not keeping aspects of it (see Gal. 3:1).

What did Paul say? Romans 7:6, 7 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."

I see this as still serving the law but in a new, spiritual way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Galatians 3 was Paul chiding the Galatians about trying to be justified by the law, not keeping aspects of it (see Gal. 3:1).

What did Paul say? Romans 7:6, 7 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."

I see this as still serving the law but in a new, spiritual way. View attachment 202161

Even in this the letter is set aside.

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