Jesus say: to be save you have to do good
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Paul is not referring to born again children of God. God does not do abortions. Are you born again?
If you agree with me, then it's irrelevant.
Technical views on doctrine don't make you steal... being a thief is what makes you steal.
I said this, and you agreed with it.
You already AGREED that various Christian views on doctrine don't make a person a thief.
So....
if you now go backward and try to say it DOES...
you're now contradicting your own self.
If you are a Christian, some particular view on some particular doctrinal point does not turn you into a thief.
You agreed with this.
So let's not keep contradicting ourselves.
Time to let this point go... you already agreed with me, and that agreement made your point invalid.
You already admitted your point was incorrect.
The proper thing to do now is accept that, and rethink your view.
You can still choose to disagree with the doctrine of "once saved always saved"...
but you'll need to disagree with it for a different reason.
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How do you know that Paul is not referring to born again?
So you believe for born again stealing is ok?
I do not understand your point.
You think I believe if Christian steal not a thieft
No who ever steal is a thieft
Correct.
You are not understanding my point.
I think we may be misunderstanding each other because you are DEBATING in a language which is not your first language.
Maybe we're just having language problems.
God Bless.
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Paul definitively and in many places says salvation is by grace through faith.
1Cor6:9 is not showing how one is saved. It describes who will not inherent eternal life. Continue reading...
And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
(1Co 6:11)
I am not quite understand what you believe
A. Christian being wash so not stealing
Or
B. If Christian stealing he inherit the kingdom because we are being wash
In other word you believe if Christian stealing he inherit the kingdom, but if non Christian stealing he not inherit the kingdom
Anyway what is the different, for non Christian, stealing or non stealing they are go to hell.
So you believe 1 cor 6 is for non believer.
While 1 cor 6 is part of Paul,letter to Christian in Corinthians so tho whole letter is for believer in Corinthian
Jackson,may I beg your pardon! I am sorry there seems to be such a language barrier. I am not sure what you are asking nor seeking! I went back and read your opening,now you seem to be involved with the state of the sin of theft! ALL SIN separates from God,ALL UNREPENTANT SIN,will keep ppl OUT of heaven. If you are pointing at SOMEONE SPECIFIC AND JUDGING,then this is also wrong to God! None of us is good or free or righteous in our power, it is because of Him that we have an opportunity to enter into heaven at ALL!
First you tell me you don't know what I believe and then you go on to tell me what I believe.
Didn't you read this?...
And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1Co 6:11).
A Christian isn't a Christian in name only but he is a new creation, with God's nature, new desires and God working in him both to will and do His good pleasure. God has his ways of putting us back in line when we stray.
I don't understand why you are so hell bent (forgive the pun) on trying to turn the free gift of God into a system of works.
Yep. All sin separate us from God, but because 1 cor 6 talking about. Stealing, I use it for example
Why Paul say salvation by faith not by work than the same Paul say stealing not save
I am not tell what you believe, and ask a question.
You believe Christian being wash, what you believe as a result of being wash? Keep stealing or stop stealing?
And you mention salvation is a gift. Is that mean stealing is ok, because salvation not by work?
So you believe Paul say:
For non believer stealing not inherit the kingdom, for believer stealing inherit the kingdom? Am I correct?
If you were born again you wouldn't be asking these questions. You would know that a born again person wouldn't want to steal because his heart has been renewed and his desire is to do what pleases God.
You are approaching salvation from the wrong end...from the 'rule-keeper's' end.
So you believe born again Christian do not steal because his heart has been renew
Do you believe born again Christian not doing sin et all because his heart has been renew?
Jackson does not seem to understand that believing and trusting in the Atonement of Jesus causes us to be Deemed Righteous in the eyes of God... It is only the unforgiven that will be condemned for their transgressions / sins ..
Those who are washed by the Atoning blood of Jesus will be forgiven all their transgressions and upon the day of judgement they will be Deemed as sinless in Gods sight..
Stealing is sin and everyone should resist any temptation to steal.. But the sad reality of humans is we are faulty beings destined to transgress the will of God one way or another during out lives..
So for us Christians grace is not a lisence to sin.. It is a precious gift that we all need to be reconciled to God in Eternity..
Those who are washed by the Atoning blood of Jesus will be forgiven all their transgressions and upon the day of judgement they will be Deemed as sinless in Gods sight..
Stealing is sin and everyone should resist any temptation to steal.. But the sad reality of humans is we are faulty beings destined to transgress the will of God one way or another during out lives..
So for us Christians grace is not a lisence to sin.. It is a precious gift that we all need to be reconciled to God in Eternity..
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God is not pleased when anyone steals or does any sin. So even though salvation is not of works, we will still obey God. Not to earn salvation. But we are simply doing what pleases God because He has done so much for us.
Jackson I don't see why you would not understand that.
God gives us the power to live Godly lives, so we should live different from others. Not to earn salvation. But because he give us the power.
If someone say: I will steal because salvation not of works. I will steal and still go to heaven.
I would ask them this question: why would you willingly, on purpose do something that is not pleasing to God?
And I can bet you they will not have a good answer for me.
This topic is sometimes confusing for me as well. I pray God will make me fully understand it and be firm in what I believe. The responses I have seen on here have been beneficial. Thanks guys.
Jackson I don't see why you would not understand that.
God gives us the power to live Godly lives, so we should live different from others. Not to earn salvation. But because he give us the power.
If someone say: I will steal because salvation not of works. I will steal and still go to heaven.
I would ask them this question: why would you willingly, on purpose do something that is not pleasing to God?
And I can bet you they will not have a good answer for me.
This topic is sometimes confusing for me as well. I pray God will make me fully understand it and be firm in what I believe. The responses I have seen on here have been beneficial. Thanks guys.
They don't WANT TO steal because of their new nature, there is a difference.
A born again Christian will sin but will grieve if they sin deliberately and ought to repent. Are you born again?
Thank for responding my question, but it happen to my friend when he need money for his weeding party he steal money from credit card because he believe not make him lose his salvation
But base on this verse below, it will effect to his salvation.
Salvation not by work, but stealing not save
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.