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"@ToastAndTea anointed is sorry, he forgot why he said what he said to you, but he can only remember that as wrong and is sorry"
No it is NOT. The type of Love, amounts a Various Meaning. For example EROS love is just Lust. You can have LOVE that is LESS than the LOVE GOD WANTS.
The NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN IN GREEK, NOT ENGLISH. In fact because of these examples; translating the BIBLE is a VERY POOR LANGUAGE to TRANSLATE IT into. Which CAUSES Numerous Misinterpretations because of the Poor Language differences. There are FREE Online Tools, that can help you understand what you are missing. You do not have, because you do not ASK.
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Not sure what you mean, but we are ALL examples of the first Adam....and exactly why the 2nd ADAM had to come and take our place.........and like Paul said.....If we become faithless, he abides faithful because he cannot deny himself........ 
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COL. 3:8.
But now you also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
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Lie not one to another, seeing that you have put off the old man with his deeds;
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And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him:
11.
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free:
but Christ is all, and in all.
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Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind,
meekness, longsuffering;
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Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any:
even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
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And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
DC, this is what we meant dear one...
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COL. 3:8.
But now you also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9.
Lie not one to another, seeing that you have put off the old man with his deeds;
10.
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him:
11.
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free:
but Christ is all, and in all.
12.
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind,
meekness, longsuffering;
13.
Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any:
even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14.
And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
DC, this is what we meant dear one...
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There is a phrase here "can save a man at his worst and then not keep him saved"
There is so much assumption here. It assumes a transaction has taken place, and that this transaction is
complete. What you will discover as with all relationships two parties have met, but the conclusion has
not yet been made.
Once you put the believer in heaven, for the most mildest of situations, you devalue what salvation is and
also make it a prison. Jesus emphasises the cost of salvation, what it means to the heart of a man, and also
the freedom involved, about a freely chosen walk.
So the exaggeration is easy believism, with God saving all at the merest hint of a possibility of faith, and
then this status being maintained by God without input or response from the believer.
The Lord is specific, and has always been about His conditions of acceptance by man, repentance and faith,
obedience and fellowship.
Disdain for those who follow Jesus's words helps no-one and declares the lack of foundation the speaker
has.
The contradiction is those who exercise faith, accepting Gods terms and heart, are then disqualified because
they believe in terms, which is regarded as unbelief, rather than the consequences of faith. The antipathy is
to fruit of the heart, which is not of the Lord. Our antipathy is against sin and its destruction of the soul and
Spirit, and our love is for God Jesus and His ways, the ways of Life, Amen
There is so much assumption here. It assumes a transaction has taken place, and that this transaction is
complete. What you will discover as with all relationships two parties have met, but the conclusion has
not yet been made.
Once you put the believer in heaven, for the most mildest of situations, you devalue what salvation is and
also make it a prison. Jesus emphasises the cost of salvation, what it means to the heart of a man, and also
the freedom involved, about a freely chosen walk.
So the exaggeration is easy believism, with God saving all at the merest hint of a possibility of faith, and
then this status being maintained by God without input or response from the believer.
The Lord is specific, and has always been about His conditions of acceptance by man, repentance and faith,
obedience and fellowship.
Disdain for those who follow Jesus's words helps no-one and declares the lack of foundation the speaker
has.
The contradiction is those who exercise faith, accepting Gods terms and heart, are then disqualified because
they believe in terms, which is regarded as unbelief, rather than the consequences of faith. The antipathy is
to fruit of the heart, which is not of the Lord. Our antipathy is against sin and its destruction of the soul and
Spirit, and our love is for God Jesus and His ways, the ways of Life, Amen
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IMV to say salvation can be lost = calling God a liar..
Salvation cannot be lost ever, because in the eternal salvation is eternal, and the elect are the
elect from eternity to eternity.
But as mortals, desiring to follow Jesus, we do not see who or quite what this eternity is, or how
it works or the right path. We are sheep, who the Lord has spoken to, and we know we need to learn,
listen and follow.
To us it appears some come to faith and then fall, some are strong yet suddenly are weak and disappear
while others blaze in the light. We only know our own walks and His blessing.
And the Lord has always said this is how it will always be. We know Him so know our salvation, yet the
truth of this reality is tested and refined, so that we become strong works of His hands.
Some want to reassure themselves though they battle with insurmountable issues, they do not defeat
their faith and love in Jesus. And the answer is we will know in the end, and we just need to build our
house upon the rock.
Many claim to be sealed in Christ, yet find it hard to define the Holy Spirit working in them. That means
the one issue Paul emphasises as our reassurance is missing for some. Peter and John answer this by
talking out our hearts obeying the commandments and love in God, finding that being our hearts desire
which demonstrates Gods work in us. And to this I can be say, Amen.
The heart which desires to take careful believers desiring to listen to Jesus yet being very aware of their
frailty and vulnerability, and accuse them of calling God a liar, is deeply discouraging and condemning.
Love is a great thing, and in this and good works we need to build each other up and not tear down.
Salvation cannot be lost ever, because in the eternal salvation is eternal, and the elect are the
elect from eternity to eternity.
But as mortals, desiring to follow Jesus, we do not see who or quite what this eternity is, or how
it works or the right path. We are sheep, who the Lord has spoken to, and we know we need to learn,
listen and follow.
To us it appears some come to faith and then fall, some are strong yet suddenly are weak and disappear
while others blaze in the light. We only know our own walks and His blessing.
And the Lord has always said this is how it will always be. We know Him so know our salvation, yet the
truth of this reality is tested and refined, so that we become strong works of His hands.
Some want to reassure themselves though they battle with insurmountable issues, they do not defeat
their faith and love in Jesus. And the answer is we will know in the end, and we just need to build our
house upon the rock.
Many claim to be sealed in Christ, yet find it hard to define the Holy Spirit working in them. That means
the one issue Paul emphasises as our reassurance is missing for some. Peter and John answer this by
talking out our hearts obeying the commandments and love in God, finding that being our hearts desire
which demonstrates Gods work in us. And to this I can be say, Amen.
The heart which desires to take careful believers desiring to listen to Jesus yet being very aware of their
frailty and vulnerability, and accuse them of calling God a liar, is deeply discouraging and condemning.
Love is a great thing, and in this and good works we need to build each other up and not tear down.
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Summaried language can get confusing.
If one says love is just an attitude without consequences or fruit, everyone can love as a disjointed feeling that makes
us feel good but have not foundation.
We know love a parent has for their child will put that parents life in place for the child.
It is this physical reality that turns the feeling into something solid and has real value.
The problem of love is it is founded on empathy, and care for another. If one has a serious
problem with empathy and care, then words will not convey the meaning. It is why training
psychopaths how to empathise with others, just made them better manipulators, because they
had no positive desire to have a positive effect on another nor did they care if things went badly.
Jesus fundamentally says to us, we His people, know Him, the others do not. The elect will come,
and the rest will stay lost. There is nothing we can do to change this. What unbelievers will try is
to confuse the elect, but just listen to Jesus and follow, because in this love we are safe eternally.
If one says love is just an attitude without consequences or fruit, everyone can love as a disjointed feeling that makes
us feel good but have not foundation.
We know love a parent has for their child will put that parents life in place for the child.
It is this physical reality that turns the feeling into something solid and has real value.
The problem of love is it is founded on empathy, and care for another. If one has a serious
problem with empathy and care, then words will not convey the meaning. It is why training
psychopaths how to empathise with others, just made them better manipulators, because they
had no positive desire to have a positive effect on another nor did they care if things went badly.
Jesus fundamentally says to us, we His people, know Him, the others do not. The elect will come,
and the rest will stay lost. There is nothing we can do to change this. What unbelievers will try is
to confuse the elect, but just listen to Jesus and follow, because in this love we are safe eternally.
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This right here is why you fail to understand most of the bible.....GOD inspired EVER WORD in the bible and what @VCO said is correct.....until you are WILLING to study the verbiage, accept the INSPIRED words and why they are USED you will continue to walk with your eyes wide SHUT concerning the word of God man......
This lackadaisical attitude toward the word of GOD sickens me and infuriates me at the same time........it is the reason why MANY corrupt, twist, skew and embellish the word of GOD into a flat LIE.........
This lackadaisical attitude toward the word of GOD sickens me and infuriates me at the same time........it is the reason why MANY corrupt, twist, skew and embellish the word of GOD into a flat LIE.........
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