The Tabernacle in the Wilderness
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More excuses from you. I was completed engaged in a resonable dialogue in my post #14 and you said I was argumentative there as well. It's rather apparent you can't defend your heretical oneness doctrines, and yes they are non-biblical teachings. And your right, "denominations is not the issue," sound doctrine is the issue which you don't have.
Like the Apostle Paul stated at Acts 20:27-31 the church will be attacked by wolves, not only within the church but also from out of the church to draw disciples to themselves. Therefore we are admonished to warn people and if we don't we will be held accountable to God. Ezekiel 3:18. In short, you have been duped by the oneness pentecostals which is really sad.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Like the Apostle Paul stated at Acts 20:27-31 the church will be attacked by wolves, not only within the church but also from out of the church to draw disciples to themselves. Therefore we are admonished to warn people and if we don't we will be held accountable to God. Ezekiel 3:18. In short, you have been duped by the oneness pentecostals which is really sad.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
your expectations are too high for this thread
you cannot draw outside the lines you have been given
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I'm not sure why sarcasim would cause a person to like another person more...
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I was actually not being sarcastic
that was my first reaction when I saw this no salvation without water baptism crusty old barnacled boat setting sail again
now the crusty old boat thing? yeah. that is an attempt at sarcastic humor. I like humor.
but in the first post I was just reacting and not being sarcastic
I also do not know why you say you don't want to say something and then say it
is someone forcing you?
however
I was actually not being sarcastic
that was my first reaction when I saw this no salvation without water baptism crusty old barnacled boat setting sail again
now the crusty old boat thing? yeah. that is an attempt at sarcastic humor. I like humor.
but in the first post I was just reacting and not being sarcastic
I also do not know why you say you don't want to say something and then say it
is someone forcing you?
Ok,is this clip funny or not?
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More excuses from you. I was completed engaged in a resonable dialogue in my post #14 and you said I was argumentative there as well. It's rather apparent you can't defend your heretical oneness doctrines, and yes they are non-biblical teachings. And your right, "denominations is not the issue," sound doctrine is the issue which you don't have.
Like the Apostle Paul stated at Acts 20:27-31 the church will be attacked by wolves, not only within the church but also from out of the church to draw disciples to themselves. Therefore we are admonished to warn people and if we don't we will be held accountable to God. Ezekiel 3:18. In short, you have been duped by the oneness pentecostals which is really sad.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Like the Apostle Paul stated at Acts 20:27-31 the church will be attacked by wolves, not only within the church but also from out of the church to draw disciples to themselves. Therefore we are admonished to warn people and if we don't we will be held accountable to God. Ezekiel 3:18. In short, you have been duped by the oneness pentecostals which is really sad.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And here I thought these were forums where we debate and discuss Gods' word but you turn it around and say, "I have no desire to argue" as if I'm the one with the problem. I too enjoy sharing the word of God as the next person "BUT" we are according to 2 Timothy 2:15 to, "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling ACCURATELY the word of truth."
And apparently your not familar with 1 Peter 3:15, "but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence." So, what I'm doing is challenging your claims and what your suppose to do is defend those claims as to why your right and I'm wrong?
Let's now go through what oneness really teaches. Jesus is God the Father. Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You deny justification by faith alone by what your stating here that water baptism is required for salvation. Also one "MUST" speak in tongues. Water baptism must be administered by an ordained Oneness minister to be valid. You deny the pre-existence of the Word as the Son from John 1:1, teaching that He existed as the Father. And, among other things only oneness people will go to heaven.
Now, without arguing, show me where I'm wrong? Oh yea, one more, your church is extremely legalistic on hair length, beards or mustaches, no bathing suits and other do's and dont's. Opps, I forgot that you deny the doctrine of the Trinity thinking we believe in three gods.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And apparently your not familar with 1 Peter 3:15, "but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence." So, what I'm doing is challenging your claims and what your suppose to do is defend those claims as to why your right and I'm wrong?
Let's now go through what oneness really teaches. Jesus is God the Father. Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You deny justification by faith alone by what your stating here that water baptism is required for salvation. Also one "MUST" speak in tongues. Water baptism must be administered by an ordained Oneness minister to be valid. You deny the pre-existence of the Word as the Son from John 1:1, teaching that He existed as the Father. And, among other things only oneness people will go to heaven.
Now, without arguing, show me where I'm wrong? Oh yea, one more, your church is extremely legalistic on hair length, beards or mustaches, no bathing suits and other do's and dont's. Opps, I forgot that you deny the doctrine of the Trinity thinking we believe in three gods.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Water baptism as a ceremonial law (non effective) as a shadow was used when a new levi had a desire to work as a minster Priest .The they could also become officiators. John the Baptist the last priest under the order of Levi Jesus came in the manner of melchedik our high priest eternally as the Son of God .Not to get confused with the Son of man Jesus. Having baptized those from any nation as a kingdom of priest holding out the gospel after the new manner. . . our High priest Christ. He was sent out by the father as a scapegoat in the wilderness for 40 days..
There is no sign as a wonder or source of faith or what some call sign gift . Its enough that his Spirit witnesses to our new born again spirit to continue to walk by faith the unseen eternal all the days of our lives
There is no sign as a wonder or source of faith or what some call sign gift . Its enough that his Spirit witnesses to our new born again spirit to continue to walk by faith the unseen eternal all the days of our lives
The thief is not burdened with the yoke of having to get water baptized where as you and your heretical church believe one is not saved unless they are water baptized under the new covenant.
What did the Apostle Paul say at Romans 3:28? "For we maintain that a man is JUSTIFIED by faith APART FROM WORKS OF THE LAW." And Romans 4:3 where the Apostle Paul is specifically quoting Genesis 15:6, "For what does the Scripture say, "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness." Also read what Paul says about King David at Romans 3:6-13 where it explains at vs10, "How then was it reckoned? While he was circumcised or uncircumcised? NOT while circumcised, but while uncircumcised." It could not be more clear wansuic.
There are a million and one situations where a person can put their faith in Christ, be saved and yet it would be impossible for them to be water baptized. So your going to tell me that their lost? As the saying goes, water baptisim is an outward sign of an inward grace. I does not have no saving power and is a symbol of a salvation experience that has already taken place. You need to "scrap" this heretical teaching because it puts an undue burden on people who cannot get water baptized.
Lastly, if you want please bring up 1 Peter 3:21 and watch how I dismantle what you think it's teaching.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
What did the Apostle Paul say at Romans 3:28? "For we maintain that a man is JUSTIFIED by faith APART FROM WORKS OF THE LAW." And Romans 4:3 where the Apostle Paul is specifically quoting Genesis 15:6, "For what does the Scripture say, "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness." Also read what Paul says about King David at Romans 3:6-13 where it explains at vs10, "How then was it reckoned? While he was circumcised or uncircumcised? NOT while circumcised, but while uncircumcised." It could not be more clear wansuic.
There are a million and one situations where a person can put their faith in Christ, be saved and yet it would be impossible for them to be water baptized. So your going to tell me that their lost? As the saying goes, water baptisim is an outward sign of an inward grace. I does not have no saving power and is a symbol of a salvation experience that has already taken place. You need to "scrap" this heretical teaching because it puts an undue burden on people who cannot get water baptized.
Lastly, if you want please bring up 1 Peter 3:21 and watch how I dismantle what you think it's teaching.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Water baptism is not a WORK OF THE LAW. It is a New Testament mandate.
Abraham's believed God and did what? Obeyed.
Certainly God knows if someone has the ability to get water baptized or not. However, if one has the ability they have no excuse for not complying with God's command.
The word does not specify that water baptism is done as an outward sign of an inward grace. If you know of a scripture expressing this please let me know.
I am surprised that you would make the following statement: "You need to "scrap" this heretical teaching because it puts an undue burden on people who cannot get water baptized."
Not sharing something that is specifically commanded in the bible would not be wise. Jesus stated: "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48
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A multifaceted attack by the devil on the gospel of truth.....if he really wanted to push a pic of immersion.....the entire lot has the blood applied at the Passover and then was, in type and picture IMMERSED in the red see crossing and then the second generation looked to the cross in the brazen serpent and had immersion when they went through the Jordan river.....ONE saves or preserved (the bolded) <--faith in the message and the latter IDENTIFIED....
Geesh.....another watered down, wet, conflated gospel..........
Geesh.....another watered down, wet, conflated gospel..........
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I'm not sure why sarcasim would cause a person to like another person more...
however
I was actually not being sarcastic
that was my first reaction when I saw this no salvation without water baptism crusty old barnacled boat setting sail again
now the crusty old boat thing? yeah. that is an attempt at sarcastic humor. I like humor.
but in the first post I was just reacting and not being sarcastic
I also do not know why you say you don't want to say something and then say it
is someone forcing you?
however
I was actually not being sarcastic
that was my first reaction when I saw this no salvation without water baptism crusty old barnacled boat setting sail again
now the crusty old boat thing? yeah. that is an attempt at sarcastic humor. I like humor.
but in the first post I was just reacting and not being sarcastic
I also do not know why you say you don't want to say something and then say it
is someone forcing you?
😂😂😂 ok sister! Yes I thought you response was sarcastic and I do like that type of humour! Yes again my own spirit of love is FORCING me to see others in a different light in HIS SPIRIT of love! I do like to engage and know the ppl I see here! Please forgive any offense,none were intended! Blessings 🌞🌞🌞
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actually it absolutely does. you refuse to accept it and in fact you will not even discuss it as we have seen from multiple threads you have created and in which you attempt to display superior knowledge that is actually removed from the clear path scripture presents
you conflate old and new testaments and throw scripture icing over it to create confectionary disaster
I understand that your oneness Pentecostal teaching has led you down this path
but it is not too late to get off that path and understand the actual biblical view of baptism and the role it plays in the life of a believer
I mean you would have us be baptized in Jesus name only and if we have been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, you would tell us to be re-baptized in Jesus name only because the first one didn't 'take'
you also hold to the belief that if you are not speaking in tongues, then you do not have the Holy Spirit...something also that scripture refutes directly and with obvious purpose in order to illustrate the fact only the blood of Christ is acceptable before God when it comes to salvation
in fact, Paul says no matter what gift you display, without love they are just a big bunch of noise
the legalistic renderings of your beliefs take away all grace and actually create a doctrine of works
the ONLY works that are acceptable to God are those He chooses to do through us by His Spirit
we are saved from DEAD WORKS...so many have done works that God calls dead.
the oneness Pentecostal sect teaches dead works for salvation because there is no other name under heaven by which we are saved and only through His blood
you take away from the glory of God and His gift to us and hinder the understanding of those who have not yet studied all these things
you teach a very dangerous and slippery slope that leads to bondage and is really not the gospel at all
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I was in the Church Of God,which is also pentecostal! We however believed in the "FATHER,THE SON,AND THE HOLY SPIRIT" and full immersion water baptism! I do not know this denomination! I am NOT NOW affiliated with any denomination and wish to remain so! I have said denominations separate the Bride of Christ! I follow the word, in study and prayer,that is my walk now! Blessings!
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