A continually surrendered life.

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UnderGrace

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You mean other than the mountain of common Sense I've provided.

It's Not "my" true NT pisteuo, I didn't make the terms Grace through Faith. I didn't choose to use the word pisteuo 248 times in the NT.

Again, the Vines gives the best definition or reference for you. Vines defines pisteuo as ," A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

The Vines goes onto say something very important to define pisteuo, it's says, " the object of Abraham's Faith was not God's promises ( that was the occasion of it's exercise ) His Faith rested on God Himself.

That is what happens when pisteuo is fulfilled as believe, believer, and believing . The relationship is built on the occasion of the exercise, instead of God Himself.
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I do not read surrender? Are you sure?

BELIEF, BELIEVE, BELIEVERS

A. Verbs.
1. pisteuo (πιστεύω, 4100), “to believe,” also “to be persuaded of,” and hence, “to place confidence in, to trust,” signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence. It is most frequent in the writings of the apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (see below). For the Lord’s first use of the verb, see 1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Acts 5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated “believers. See COMMIT, INTRUST, TRUST.
2. peitho (πείθω, 3982), “to persuade,” in the middle and passive voices signifies “to suffer oneself to be persuaded,” e.g., Luke 16:31; Heb. 13:18; it is sometimes translated “believe” in the RV, but not in Acts 17:4, RV, “were persuaded,” and 27:11, “gave (more) heed”; in Acts 28:24, “believed. See AGREE, ASSURE, OBEY, PERSUADE, TRUST, YIELD.
Note: For apisteo, the negative of No. 1, and apeitheo, the negative of No. 2, see DISBELIEVE, DISOBEDIENT.

Vine, W. E., Unger, M. F., & White, W., Jr. (1996). Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (Vol. 2, p. 61). Nashville, TN: T. Nelson.
 
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@Pisteuo : Paul and Luke wrote in Greek so Greeks can read it. I believe Matthew was written in Aramaic so Hebrews and other eastern Mediterranean peoples at the time could read it. The council of the RCC had it translated it into Latin so the Roman Empire could read it.
Gutenberg printed it in German and King James had it translated into English so the Britts and us could read it too. You make it sound like we must learn an old dead language to be or stay saved. NONSENCE!
 
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UnderGrace said:
I do not read surrender? Are you sure?

BELIEF, BELIEVE, BELIEVERS

A. Verbs.
1. pisteuo (πιστεύω, 4100), “to believe,” also “to be persuaded of,” and hence, “to place confidence in, to trust,” signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence. It is most frequent in the writings of the apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (see below). For the Lord’s first use of the verb, see 1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Acts 5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated “believers. See COMMIT, INTRUST, TRUST.
2. peitho (πείθω, 3982), “to persuade,” in the middle and passive voices signifies “to suffer oneself to be persuaded,” e.g., Luke 16:31; Heb. 13:18; it is sometimes translated “believe” in the RV, but not in Acts 17:4, RV, “were persuaded,” and 27:11, “gave (more) heed”; in Acts 28:24, “believed. See AGREE, ASSURE, OBEY, PERSUADE, TRUST, YIELD.
Note: For apisteo, the negative of No. 1, and apeitheo, the negative of No. 2, see DISBELIEVE, DISOBEDIENT.

Vine, W. E., Unger, M. F., & White, W., Jr. (1996). Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (Vol. 2, p. 61). Nashville, TN: T. Nelson.
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Your looking at the mistranslated words instead of the Greek word pisteuo.

Mistranslated into the English language, mistranslated back out of the English language.

I'm positive! Vines word for word!
 
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calibob said:
@Pisteuo : Paul and Luke wrote in Greek so Greeks can read it. I believe Matthew was written in Aramaic so Hebrews and other eastern Mediterranean peoples at the time could read it. The council of the RCC had it translated it into Latin so the Roman Empire could read it.
Gutenberg printed it in German and King James had it translated into English so the Britts and us could read it too. You make it sound like we must learn an old dead language to be or stay saved. NONSENCE!
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Then keep on believing ! I'm just the messenger!
 
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Your looking at the mistranslated words instead of the Greek word pisteuo.

Mistranslated into the English language, mistranslated back out of the English language.

I'm positive! Vines word for word!
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Post it then please, you must have a source?
 
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UnderGrace said:
Post it then please, you must have a source?
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I did word for word out of the Vines. Even Google gets that one right.

Done playing your games. I had hoped you were serious about the first question, turns out your just playing.

You've had your fun, now you get to be seen by God asa dishonest reporter. Congrats!
 
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Pisteuo said:
Then put your understanding of NT saving Faith, pisteuo, on the table to be tested.

And try and do it without getting into the personal, spiritual, secret, relationship between you and Christ your hinting at.
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Did you miss something? Did I say that I don't communicate with Jesus? Did I say I don't believe in doing good works? Oh well I can take it as a blessing because "Everybody must get stoned." :love: and if you don't understand what that means look up what happened to Steven or what Jesus said about stoning people when the hypocrites brought the woman to him in the temple.
 
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Did you miss something? Did I say that I don't communicate with Jesus? Did I say I don't believe in doing good works? Oh well I can take it as a blessing because "Everybody must get stoned." :love: and if you don't understand what that means look up what happened to Steven or what Jesus said about stoning people when the hypocrites brought the woman to him in the temple.
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Still waiting for your understanding!
 
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Pisteuo said:
And they are able to try and fulfill saving Faith, pisteuo, again, because they didn't receive the Spirit of Christ at the moment of belief like the church world teaches.
If they did receive the Spirit of Christ at the moment of belief (which is a false understanding) they would not be able to return and try again, crucifying Christ a second time.
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You don't even have a proper understanding of Hebrews 6:4. "crucifying Christ a second time." Go ahead tell us all here what the writer of Hebrews is getting at by saying those words? What do you think the context is? And btw, you stated that your just the "messenger." Well, your a false messenger, however, I'm going to cut you some slack and say you may be "unknowingly" following a false teacher and you've been "duped" by him.

And one more thing, I have been a Chrisitian for over 56 years now and my gift of discernment is impeccable and I am not bragging. I'm very through in doing my homework and this is the reason I keep asking you your teachers name so I can check him out for myself. I also suggest you read Acts 17:11 because that is the perspective of where I'm coming from. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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You don't even have a proper understanding of Hebrews 6:4. "crucifying Christ a second time." Go ahead tell us all here what the writer of Hebrews is getting at by saying those words? What do you think the context is? And btw, you stated that your just the "messenger." Well, your a false messenger, however, I'm going to cut you some slack and say you may be "unknowingly" following a false teacher and you've been "duped" by him.

And one more thing, I have been a Chrisitian for over 56 years now and my gift of discernment is impeccable and I am not bragging. I'm very through in doing my homework and this is the reason I keep asking you your teachers name so I can check him out for myself. I also suggest you read Acts 17:11 because that is the perspective of where I'm coming from. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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You could have just been honest and say you don't have a better understanding. God rewards honesty
and going through fear.

You can't be saved or receive the Spirit of Christ twice, but it's maditory you receive it once.

See you on the other side.
 
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Still waiting for your understanding!
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Faith in the saving grace of Jesus from Nazareth is the Lion of Judah. His is the Christ that the shedding of his blood replaced the need for animal sacrifices. I believe that he came out of the tomb on the 3rd day after being sacrifice for those who believe in him, his name and his words. I believe he's comming back for all who believe or believed in him living or dead. I believe he will return to judge the rest of the world and I believe with all my heart that the most important work we can do is to share his love and carry the message that Jesus saves. Ok? It's your turn!
 
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calibob said:
Faith in the saving grace of Jesus from Nazareth is the Lion of Judah. His is the Christ that the shedding of his blood replaced the need for animal sacrifices. I believe that he came out of the tomb on the 3rd day after being sacrifice for those who believe in him, his name and his words. I believe he's comming back for all who believe or believed in him living or dead. I believe he will return to judge the rest of the world and I believe with all my heart that the most important work we can do is to share his love and carry the message that Jesus saves. Ok? It's your turn!
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That's not saving Faith.

Go back and read all my posts including the OP.
 
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Pisteuo said:
The continually surrendered life is the easiest way to define exactly what NT saving Faith is.

The application of NT saving Faith is communicated to us by the use of the Greek word pisteuo, 248 times in the NT.

Pisteuo is defined in the Vines Greek dictionary as, " A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

The Strong's Greek dictionary gives us an important disclaimer, it states," pisteuo means NOT just to believe!" The words the English language should have had for the translators are faithe, faither, and faithing.

The problem is the English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Pistis, where we get our English word Faith, like the Greek does. So the translators were forced to choose a different word to translate possibly the most important word in the Holy Scriptures. They chose the words believe, believer, and believing, which are a part of NT saving Faith, but taken on their own is error.

True NT saving Faith, pisteuo, is a verb, "an act based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence." We fulfill hundreds of acts of pisteuo or faithing every day all day. Each act of pisteuo or faithing is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

NT saving Faith or pisteuo is specifically surrendering our life and will to Him. Based upon the specific belief that God will accept, maintain, sustain, transform the surrendered life. Sustained by a specific kind of confidence, in making the many daily decisions that support the fact our lives are not ours anymore but His now.

The question was asked, " what does the surrendered life look like in the Temporal.?"

To keep the surrender genuine, I can only show you what the beginning looks like, or how to start it.

God, I offer myself to thee, to have with me and to build with me as thou wills. Relieve me from the bondage of self, that victory over this may bear witness to those I would help of thy power, thy love, and thy way of life. May I do thy will always. Amen

My creator, I am now willing that you should have all of me, the good and the bad. I pray that you now remove from me every single defect of character that stands in the way of my usefulness to you and my fellows. Grant me strength, as í go out from here to do thy bidding. Amen.

This is what the surrendered life begins like, is maintained like, and is completed like, putting everything in His hands continually.

As a tool to maintain the covenant, the contract, the personal relationship with God, the surrendered life or offering of ourselves to Him must be done a new every day. All day sometimes if needed.

When we see our surrendered life starts to look like what's being recited in those prayers, we know He is doing His part!

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Pisteuo said:
You could have just been honest and say you don't have a better understanding. God rewards honesty
and going through fear.

You can't be saved or receive the Spirit of Christ twice, but it's maditory you receive it once.

See you on the other side.
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Pisteuo said:
You could have just been honest and say you don't have a better understanding. God rewards honesty
and going through fear.

You can't be saved or receive the Spirit of Christ twice, but it's maditory you receive it once.

See you on the other side.
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Oh please, I don't need you to lecture me on honesty or tell me "I am going through fear." Are you aware of the verse that says, "Perfect love cast out fear?" (1 John 4:18). So tell me, what did I say that was dishonest? And for your information the context of Hebrews 6:4 is not about losing your salvation or even about salvation proper which means your misapplying the verse to support your erroneous view that everyone is wrong because we all have a wrong understanding of the word, drum rollllll "BELIEVE." :rolleyes:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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