Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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You miss the whole point.
I am talkin gabout the requirements of the lw. And no. NO ONE EVER KEPT THE LAW IN THIS MANNER
And yes, I said it is all caps. I am sick of trying to explain to you all the context of what the law requires.
James said it, it is not knee jerk, it is a fact,
If you keep the whole law. Yet stumble in one point. Your guilty of the whole law.
Can you not comprehend the ramifications of this statement?
How can a law. Which makes you GUILTY every teach you the ways of Christ and how to become christlike?
Paul called it the ministration of death, Yet you want me and everyone else to follow it?
I am talkin gabout the requirements of the lw. And no. NO ONE EVER KEPT THE LAW IN THIS MANNER
And yes, I said it is all caps. I am sick of trying to explain to you all the context of what the law requires.
James said it, it is not knee jerk, it is a fact,
If you keep the whole law. Yet stumble in one point. Your guilty of the whole law.
Can you not comprehend the ramifications of this statement?
How can a law. Which makes you GUILTY every teach you the ways of Christ and how to become christlike?
Paul called it the ministration of death, Yet you want me and everyone else to follow it?
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Exactly, hence the Spirit of the Law. What convicts one person, does not convict another. We can commit a sin that has never been written at any time "in stone" yet it was written upon "my heart" yet never on yours, because the conviction from the Holy Spirit is different for each of us as Gods Will for my life is, as the gift (s) given me are also different.
God having written it upon our hearts, took away judgement from man (from the "saved" man). (Does not seem to have effected or affected or wrong word all together, anyway, the "I say I am saved so there fore I am and I this is how everything goes for everyone....."
We can no longer look down on a piece of paper and say to someone you are in compliance or not. That is Gods call (always has been, I know). This is also a way I have found to tell those, in which the Holy Spirit truly resides, from those in which it does not. Someone without would come along and "tell" you "this is what it this means or says" only able to see the "letter of it" never the "spirit of it" therefore never being able to discern what the "spirit led soul" sees as clear as day. There is no explaining to someone without the spirit, that this is Gods Truth for me, while at the same time not you. It is impossible for them to grasp that idea. GOD must be found "within" the letter for them BUT "within the letter" Gods truth can never be found.
I recently had this hammered home again, Please God let me keep it this time. Well I have been stalling long enough trying to recall the question I wanted so badly to ask yesterday, was so important. I will give myself a little while and if it does not come back I will find a new one.
God having written it upon our hearts, took away judgement from man (from the "saved" man). (Does not seem to have effected or affected or wrong word all together, anyway, the "I say I am saved so there fore I am and I this is how everything goes for everyone....."
We can no longer look down on a piece of paper and say to someone you are in compliance or not. That is Gods call (always has been, I know). This is also a way I have found to tell those, in which the Holy Spirit truly resides, from those in which it does not. Someone without would come along and "tell" you "this is what it this means or says" only able to see the "letter of it" never the "spirit of it" therefore never being able to discern what the "spirit led soul" sees as clear as day. There is no explaining to someone without the spirit, that this is Gods Truth for me, while at the same time not you. It is impossible for them to grasp that idea. GOD must be found "within" the letter for them BUT "within the letter" Gods truth can never be found.
I recently had this hammered home again, Please God let me keep it this time. Well I have been stalling long enough trying to recall the question I wanted so badly to ask yesterday, was so important. I will give myself a little while and if it does not come back I will find a new one.
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Good Question.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
So my question, this may have been it but I don't think so, Is this for all 13 tribes, for the 10 northern, or for all grafted in so "the Spiritual all made a new creation"?
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
So my question, this may have been it but I don't think so, Is this for all 13 tribes, for the 10 northern, or for all grafted in so "the Spiritual all made a new creation"?
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I never come to you at all, lord EG. More often than not you come to me addressing something I've posted, insinuating I'm not a real follower of Christ whose doctrine needs to be "put down".
So we can discuss Paul and "NT"
2 Timothy 3. I didn't add anything to the full chapter but 1 bracket for context. Is Paul promoting obedience to the Torah through faith in Christ, or not?
So we can discuss Paul and "NT"
2 Timothy 3. I didn't add anything to the full chapter but 1 bracket for context. Is Paul promoting obedience to the Torah through faith in Christ, or not?
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No, he is not promoting law living or obedience, He is promoting righteous living, Which he said over and over can not come or be learned by the law.
why would paul promoting obedience to the law. When time after time he said the law can NOT make us obedient, it was NOT its purpose. That according to the law One had to obey every word. That the law exposes our sin and guilt And its sole purpose was to act as a schoolmaster to lead us to christ, He would be contradicting himself.
And yes, I am adressing things you posted I disagree with. And i give my counterpoint. By which you disagree with.. So you must disagree with what Paul said and Moses said and James said. How else could I take it?
why would paul promoting obedience to the law. When time after time he said the law can NOT make us obedient, it was NOT its purpose. That according to the law One had to obey every word. That the law exposes our sin and guilt And its sole purpose was to act as a schoolmaster to lead us to christ, He would be contradicting himself.
And yes, I am adressing things you posted I disagree with. And i give my counterpoint. By which you disagree with.. So you must disagree with what Paul said and Moses said and James said. How else could I take it?
unwilling for what reason?Yes. For you it is wickedness. When you KNOW to do right but then do not do it, it is sin. You, Post, brought it up so you know.
"For by the law comes the KNOWLEDGE of sin."
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Condemnation isn't correction or even conviction. It's important that we discern the difference, and is most likely the root issue of why so many gentile believers remain where they began when first converted, never growing in righteousness. Condemnation would be for me to sentence you (i.e. "You're going to hell, sinner"). Meanwhile, correction is for edification (i.e. "dude, you're sinning"), which we are commanded to do for each other.
So your question isn't accurate, thus I can't answer your question (OH NO!!! AM I DODGING IT????). There is no condemnation, but the Holy Spirit's job is to convict and to reprove.
John 16:8
"And when He comes, he will convict/reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment"
...so if the spirit in you isn't doing this, then well............................................
So your question isn't accurate, thus I can't answer your question (OH NO!!! AM I DODGING IT????). There is no condemnation, but the Holy Spirit's job is to convict and to reprove.
John 16:8
"And when He comes, he will convict/reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment"
...so if the spirit in you isn't doing this, then well............................................
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You're adding to the words that I've given you in the last post. This is an example of what happens when someone adds to. I'll let you spar against your strawman. Meanwhile, I'll address your reply to something I did say...
You're arguing the semantics of what I posted. The meaning remains.
Deuteronomy 23:25
"When you enter your neighbor’s grainfield, you may pluck the heads of grain with your hand, but you must not put a sickle to your neighbor’s grain."
Matthew 12:5
"Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?"
Who would serve the people in the temple on The Sabbath day if not the priests? So the sabbath law stands, but the priests serving in the temple are shown mercy for breaking it. They are not guilty. It wasn't to apply to them who was serving in the temple because of their situation.
Matthew 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
The point I concluded within that post is the same point I conclude with here: Mercy was always baked into the instructions because the same God that gave the instructions is the same God that died on the cross for their violation. Christ. When we start to see this as believers, things will start to come into focus.
You're arguing the semantics of what I posted. The meaning remains.
Deuteronomy 23:25
"When you enter your neighbor’s grainfield, you may pluck the heads of grain with your hand, but you must not put a sickle to your neighbor’s grain."
Matthew 12:5
"Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?"
Who would serve the people in the temple on The Sabbath day if not the priests? So the sabbath law stands, but the priests serving in the temple are shown mercy for breaking it. They are not guilty. It wasn't to apply to them who was serving in the temple because of their situation.
Matthew 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
The point I concluded within that post is the same point I conclude with here: Mercy was always baked into the instructions because the same God that gave the instructions is the same God that died on the cross for their violation. Christ. When we start to see this as believers, things will start to come into focus.
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Well lets see
If I give you a list of things, and tell you that you must do ALL of them, And if you fail in any one of them, Your cursed. What else can I mean other than your cursed.
If I then tell you you can keep all of my instructions. But if you even break one of those things, no matter how small. Your guilty of not following those instruction. Thus you are cursed. (Whatever you wanted you can not have) What else can I mean? Other than if you do not follow them 100% perfectly. You will not receive what I am offering.
That is exactly what Moses, Paul and James said.
You CAN NOT take it to mean anything else..
So no, I have not considered anything else. Because in doing so. I would be making them not say when they said...
Why would you consider they meant anything ther that what they said? Have you not considered they meant what they said exactly as they said it?
If I give you a list of things, and tell you that you must do ALL of them, And if you fail in any one of them, Your cursed. What else can I mean other than your cursed.
If I then tell you you can keep all of my instructions. But if you even break one of those things, no matter how small. Your guilty of not following those instruction. Thus you are cursed. (Whatever you wanted you can not have) What else can I mean? Other than if you do not follow them 100% perfectly. You will not receive what I am offering.
That is exactly what Moses, Paul and James said.
You CAN NOT take it to mean anything else..
So no, I have not considered anything else. Because in doing so. I would be making them not say when they said...
Why would you consider they meant anything ther that what they said? Have you not considered they meant what they said exactly as they said it?
Sigh, no I get your point EG, but you miss mine. How many men of God are you going to cast dispersions on while you could carefully make your point by spelling it our far more carefully and respectfully?
Consider how delicately Jesus articulated John the Baptist's service without casting him in total darkness!
Polish it up EG, follow Christs example.